Tham is awesome but...

Xemeron··19 votes·2,265 views

Seriously, I played him on PBE alot, top, jungle, mid, support, hes so much fun to play, hes strong and eating the right champ is so rewarding....

I already saved my IP to buy him at launch, but for fairness, I have to say:

The Cooldown on his Devour is way too low for such a strong spell. You litteraly give one allie Zhonyas while moving him or you take an enemy out of the fight for 3 seconds plus you deal a ton of damage. . As much as I love it, 14 / 13 / 12 / 11 / 10 seconds is too low for such a powerfull spell. It should be at least 5 seconds more at every level.

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Drunk Rummate15 votes

The real question is will you be buying him at launch, or buying him at lunch?

Bah dum, tss.

Xemeron11 votes

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The real question is will you be buying him at launch, or buying him at lunch?

Bah dum, tss.

I will buy him at launch and then everyoe becomes my lunch ;)

gafratt1 votes

I don't know if I should up- or down -vote this...

Drunk Rummate2 votes

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I don't know if I should up- or down -vote this...

Phreak would upvote me.

Partholonian1 votes

For mouthing off like this?

Shroom Junkie3 votes

I personally haven't played the PBE, but I made a post like this saying that its almost like Skarner's ult and Zhonya's in one on a really low cooldown and I got downvoted into oblivion. srslytho fuck you g&b -.-

Xemeron2 votes

Other than that the champ is super made and looks perfectly balanced BTW^^

The Loveless2 votes

I don't own the guy and didn't get a chance to test him on PBE, but I'm pretty sure that's supposed to be his identity. Without it, he's waiting on Q, because his basic attacks are only used to prep 3 lobster stacks.

You have to think as a whole what Tahm provides on a consistent basis. There's no point in him treating basic attacks as big dps when, even with his bonus health->damage passive, he isn't threatening enough in fisticuffs.

Think of what any other tank/support does CONSISTENTLY in combat. Leona has a bunch of lockdown on moderately short cooldowns. Naut has more lockdowns and even some damage with w, plus his shield doesn't require him to take damage before being effective. Alistar is old, so his q and w still have longish cooldowns, but he gets immense damage reduction on top of bonus AD to make his attacks hit harder--his heal is meh. Despite not being played much, Taric's passive allows him an opportunity to continually stun, heal and shred enemy armor. Sona has short CD spells, so her power goes without saying. Janna has cc and a shield that lasts for a healthy bit of time, effectively meaning her power is noticed throughout a fight. Soraka has heals for days...

I imagine if you increased the cooldown on Tahm's w, it wouldn't feel like he's eating people enough. That's really what he offers, and I see no reason to remove that from his identity. What else would he be doing if he didn't have a reasonable cooldown on devour? Q doesn't go through other enemy units, and he doesn't have the mobility to guarantee he'll reach his targets. Every time I've played with/against him, he is fairly easy to run away from. If you dodge the Q, he may as well give up the chase.

EDIT: if the damage is too high, then shift the power into better AP scaling so that he gets the damage when he really goes dps. Otherwise, I disagree with increasing the CD of devour.

Xemeron1 votes

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[Alot of stuff that actually makes alot of sense]

The point is: Tham makes the lane ungankable. You will NEVER get the ADC. Maybe you get Tham, but even for that you need to be very lucky.

My ADC was attacking the enemy tower when I saw the enemy Lee Sin coming, the enemy Thresh hooked him, I ate my ADC, used the bonus Movement speed to get him halfway across the lane, then spat him nearly under our tower, after that I just had to stay between Lee and my Miss Fortune. They hit me a bit, but I am tanky, I can deal with it.

And 12 seconds later I could do the same again.

Partholonian1 votes

But if Lee had kicked you back at the right time he'd have kicked BOTH of you back. You're lucky he didn't think of that, or wasn't positioned for it, or was pre-6/on CD.

Or, of course, Thresh could have saved the hook to hit you while you were full, and then trapped both of you inside the Box.

People aren't used to playing against Tahm yet, but they will be.

ISTM a big weakness of ally Devour is that it doubles the effectiveness of most CC. Not blind and silence because you're doing that to your ally yourself, but things like snares and knockback/up.

P.S. If Lee lands his Q on the ADC and then Tahm eats the ADC, does Lee lose the opportunity to follow up? Or does it just bring him to Tahm instead, and if so, who takes the Q2 damage?

Xx420n0sc0p3sxX1 votes

He does have to hit his enemy 3 times, which can be a challenge, but yeah, it could use a nerf

Xemeron1 votes

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He does have to hit his enemy 3 times, which can be a challenge, but yeah, it could use a nerf

yeah, but that only goes for enemies. Taking your allie out of danger zone is also strong as hell.

LilxPaprika1 votes

what if it healed the ally a bit while in his mouth.. or gave bonus regen to them... like gave them spirit visage passive. or like get immune to reduced healing while in mouth. but increase the cooldown on it.

Solari Fortune1 votes

Actually your ally can still take damage inside Tahm, if they have a DoT on them.

AJking1011 votes

but graves can't have a cigar

YOU BEEN WARNED1 votes

Leave what's unique about him fun, nerf his R passive. Or make it so the target in his belly takes something like 10% of the dmg he takes. Or make it so that he doesn't shoot allies out, they don't need more positioning benefit than being in his belly.

If he has an ally in his belly, you guys are fighting a 4v5.

baetoevn1 votes

He cant do any damage, these ability cooldowns LEAVE him balanced. Don't like this idea at all personally.

Xemeron1 votes

Just pushing this thread again, seems like, once again, I am proven right.

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