Please, DO NOT buff Xin Zhao!

Xemeron·Mar 3, 2015·125 votes·8,843 views

For everyone who hasnt been on PBE or Surrender@20:

Xin Zhao

Battle Cry (W)  heal increased to 30/35/40/45/50 from 26/32/38/44/50
Audacious Charge (E) damage increased to 70/115/160/205/250 from 70/105/140/175/210

Since hes my main jungle champ, I was of course very happy about it AT FIRST! Them I remembered what game this is. And more important, whos in charge of buffs and nerfs. He is fine right now, maybe not top of the mountain tier, but he can carry the game and he is fun. He is underplayed, yes, but hes not weak. As much as I would love these changes, I know exactly whats going to happen if they go through: Xin gets players attention, players suddendly realise hes not weak and that with these buffs hes actually a very very good jungler, people play him, people QQ about him, and then he will be nerfed till hes down at the Bar with Urgot and Veigar.

Please DO NOT BUFF HIM!

109 Comments

Ser GarlandMar 3, 201597 votes

LeeSin hahahahahAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA

OyddAWqJ5rMar 4, 201521 votes

JarvanIV Nidalee HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

XinZhao item 3070 Udyr It's okay man, I feel you

Bouffon dAnglaisMar 4, 201517 votes

Evelynn Zac come join us, we're crying in the corner

CBosssMar 4, 20159 votes

Elise item 3070

OneMoreDaySKMar 4, 20157 votes

Zed HAHAHAHA

KaisadiIIaMar 3, 201588 votes

You know your balance team has a problem when people is scared of their main getting buffed.

KingsgraveMar 3, 201517 votes

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You know your balance team has a problem when people is scared of their main getting buffed.

People will always do that regardless of the competence of the team

SaiannaMar 4, 20152 votes

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People will always do that regardless of the competence of the team

What competence?

aaronconlinMar 4, 201525 votes

I'm terrified that Nautilus is becoming viable

femméMar 4, 20154 votes

naut becoming viable could be the first stepping stone to a tank (jungle) friendly game again.

RetillinMar 4, 20155 votes

Sadly I disagree. I think what will happen is this. Tanks will start to rise up, Riot's upper management will not happy with the lack of "flashy" or "exciting" plays from the tanks. They will then tell the Lead Champion/Game Designers to change things up. And we will end up back at the same spot we are now.

doubleguacMar 4, 20155 votes

Look, as an avid tank player, I'm just going to say this:

League of tanks has happened before. There have been times in the past where teams were sending super-tanks jungle, top, and sometimes even mid. it isn't fun. I love playing tanks. I absolutely do not want to play League of Tanks again. I don't dislike League of Tanks because it lacks "flashy lcs plays." I dislike League of Tanks because it's not fun.

IMHO, tanks are not in that terrible of a spot overall. There are individual champions who deserve buffs (definitely Zac, maybe Mundo and Naut). But there are plenty of tanks who are currently great picks in solo queue. Sion isn't the most reliable jungler, but he's an amazing top laner. Sejuani is a great jungler all around.

After this new jungler item goes through, I think a lot of tanks will be in a fine spot. I legitimately hope Riot doesn't go overboard buffing them.

Because league of tanks is terrible.

KairyaMar 5, 20152 votes

I main Sejuani and keep seeing her a lot more than I used to... It makes me very afraid. There were times when I was asked not to jungle with her "since shes so weak".. but now people are happy about me picking her. It's a nightmare come alive.

Malix FarwinMar 4, 201543 votes

LeeSin : you are pretty strong right now but not strong enough to justify nerfs

XinZhao : Go on...

LeeSin : So i told riot to buff you so that they could gut you a couple of patches later. That way you will be weaker then you are now but we have a reason to nerf

XinZhao : is it really that serious....

LeeSin Yes it is... #LCSBigplays

Fed by Snu SnuMar 3, 201541 votes

And this ladies and gentlemen is why LoL has failed as a game.

SilverSmurpherMar 4, 201512 votes

failed as a game? If being the most played video game on earth is failed then sure, they have failed.

SEKAIMar 4, 20154 votes

Diablo 3 was the most sold PC game of All Time if I am not wrong.

So there's that.

Consider the nature of LoL, I am pretty sure some people are just kinda get too used to the game so they can't just stand up and leave for another title, kinda like WoW syndromes but probably not as extreme.

BluePolarizerMar 3, 201521 votes

Can he stop LC$ big plays though?

uh oh I think R can stop Lee Sin mid dash.

XemeronMar 3, 20156 votes

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Can he stop LC$ big plays though?

uh oh I think R can stop Lee Sin mid dash.

His Q also stops people pulled by Thresh lantern if you time your third strike right ;)

James StoneMar 3, 20157 votes

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Can he stop LC$ big plays though?

uh oh I think R can stop Lee Sin mid dash.

You do realize that's in itself an LCS big play right?

Like Thresh's E interrupting Jarvan's E+Q or Leona's E.

I mean if you're gonna bitch and moan, at least do it right

XemeronMar 3, 20154 votes

[{quoted}](name=James Stone,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4ZnjKqEX,comment-id=00030001,timestamp=2015-03-03T23:16:11.709+0000)

You do realize that's in itself an LCS big play right?

Like Thresh's E interrupting Jarvan's E+Q or Leona's E.

I mean if you're gonna bitch and moan, at least do it right

Xin can counter THresh as the "I make the lane ungankable" support^^

AudiomancyMar 4, 201519 votes

Yes, but it's not Lee.

:^)

GunpointMar 4, 20152 votes

But it's not Tuesday Patrick.

junglerboy16Mar 3, 20153 votes

But his full combo into a full 5 man let that singles out a lone ADC is a pretty good #LC$BIGPLAY on its own, and makes up for messing with Lee.

AuryielMar 4, 201515 votes

I hope he becomes good for a patch and then receives massive, unjustified nerfs, cuz I hate playing against Xin.

Yep, you heard me. I'm that bitter over Riot's most recent changes. If the champions I love get thrown in the trash without any effort being made to fix them in a timely fashion, I'm gonna go ahead and wish the same on the champions I hate.

Ok, no seriously can we just stop gutting champions for no reason???

Malix FarwinMar 4, 201512 votes

Quite possibly the only game ive ever player where someone said they didnt want their champ buff and i would feel the exact same way if my champ was at the exact same place. This is how you know the balancing team needs to get their act together.

goodblueMar 4, 201512 votes

patch5.5→buff&winrate57% patch5.7→nerf&winrate38%

TalamareMar 3, 20159 votes

I really do not want to see an AP Xin Resurgence either

SleepyLionCubMar 4, 20157 votes

A portion of his damage buff has been reverted. Though, i dont think the change is big enough to cause problems. thats just my opinion though.

YoellaMar 4, 20157 votes

and then he will be nerfed till hes down at the Bar with Urgot and Veigar.

I dub this The Veigar Effect.

blueberrypancakeMar 4, 20158 votes

I thought it was Olafing

Tentacle LoveMar 4, 20156 votes

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I thought it was Olafing

Back in the day we called it getting "Eve'd."

OhOkYeahMar 3, 20155 votes

I wasn't sure why they were buffing him. He's got better early clears than Jarvan and many other junglers. His ganks are good but not OP like Jarvan/Lee. He's well balanced. He'll have slightly cleaner clears but nothing major. It's a welcome change but yea... more people will realize that he's actually more fun and better at early jungling than Jarvan and start calling for mass nerfs even though he's only got the 1 gap closer.

PiantissimoMar 3, 20155 votes

they are buffing him because a skin is coming out, it is nothing to worry about having a teensie bit more sustain and his main spell having 40 more damage are crumbs of a buff put in to show riot haven't forgot about him.

XemeronMar 3, 201513 votes

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they are buffing him because a skin is coming out, it is nothing to worry about having a teensie bit more sustain and his main spell having 40 more damage are crumbs of a buff put in to show riot haven't forgot about him.

The problem isnt that these buffs are too much, he IS already strong, and people will notice now...

XinZhao2WinNhaoMar 4, 20155 votes

xin is one of my mains, and i always thought he was strong-balanced. I never thought he needed a buff tbh

DroogzyMar 3, 20154 votes

Don't think he will ever see serious competitive play.

So long as his R is still bugged out, won't happen most likely.

Spacesuit SpiffMar 4, 20154 votes

"People will complain about him and he'll get nerfed"

...you... can't actually be serious... can you?

I could see Riot letting Xin into the Mile High Club of tier 1 junglers, like they did for Nid. I could also see him staying there. The only reason to worry about a new strong picked getting olafed is if they're someone Riot doesn't want dominating the meta Warwick

NinpireMar 4, 20152 votes

Ww was just stupid and I'm sure no one really enjoyed him dominating the meta because he literally just smited you and pressed r and you died.

ActuallyArrowMar 4, 20154 votes

Maybe they can Compensate for the buff... Veigar

junglerboy16Mar 3, 20153 votes

don't worry, they reduced the E damage down to only 230 at max from the original buff at 250. He isn't really at risk of becoming FotM again, because everyone only seems to think his success is tied to how strong Devourer is when Warrior works better in most cases. Speaking of which, I have a feeling these buffs are in part because both jungle items that he uses (Devourer and Warrior) have gotten nerfed to limit champs who abused them, while Xin is only just now getting slight buffs to keep him competitive.

African Mundo Mar 4, 20153 votes

If the buffs goes through he'll have 2 weeks before they gut him

ChessburgerMar 4, 20153 votes

Oh wow that is a huge buff. I already found him feeling better than he did before even if slightly behind.

BeatzBoyFTWMar 4, 20153 votes

Ikr. When I saw the random Xin buffs in PBE and I was like:

"I dun remember Xin being a tank....."

TheXioniXMar 4, 20153 votes

Sounds like Riot

Miku Lv99Mar 4, 20153 votes

They've reduced it to 70/110/150/190/230 from 70/115/160/205/250 now. I don't think that'll make him op. It'll just make him another one of the good junglers so we'll get to see more variety so this is a plenty good change.

Icy AuronMar 4, 20153 votes

Underplayed? Weak? You're out of your mind. Xin is one of the safest, most powerful junglers in the game, due to his ability to fit into literally any team comp, and a kit that includes almost everything.

OblongOtterMar 4, 20152 votes

The two times he said the work "weak" he said "hes not weak." I'm sure he appreciates you furthering his point that Xin is already strong, though.

BoswickMar 4, 20152 votes

I don't understand why theyre buffing his w... you can already do a full clear with practically full HP but ok Riot.

HupsisMar 3, 20151 votes

His passive is too powerful. 15% armor reduction so everyone on his team can deal extra damage to his target? Please... I would be ok with those changes if his passive only affected his own damage.

Also in the most recrent PBE change the bonus damage on E was changed to 70/110/150/190/230 (which is still a buff).