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Time To Buff Lissandra

kebslol·7/16/2016, 7:40:37 AM·2 votes·814 views

Lissandra has no range, and she's slow, so she gets blown up my APC's and ADC's. Lissandra has no health, so she gets blown up by APC's, ADC's, Assassins, and Tanky Bruisers. Lissandra can't even kill a support because all supports either do more damage, have more sustain, or are just outright tanky.

Lissandra's mana costs are too high to keep up in any of the lanes, and Lissandra can't safely farm without expending all her mana and being oom after 2 cycles through her spells. Lissandra's Q and W are too short range to use unless you are up close to everyone else, and when you are that close, you die. Because you don't have hitpoints. The R is not a solution because if you self ult and zhonya's, that's still only 4ish seconds of invulnerability, but after that, you'll just get demolished by anyone else on the opposite team. Lissandra should not be dependent on having the entire team around her to be effective.

It's time to finally be fair and fix Lissandra. Increase her range on all spells. She has the lowest move speed of every champ on the rift. Give her high speed so she's not a sitting lane duck and can't push by herself, like EVERY other champ can. Lower her mana costs, and buff her spells, so she actually makes a difference in games and can have a positive KDA.

I always have a positive KDA, but I can't make a difference in games because Riot overnerfed her because they got rid of deathfire grasp, and yet they still allowed the b.s. that is Ezreal's iceborn gauntlet to proc off a damn spell and not an auto attack.

Every other character type does not get destroyed so easily. Top lanes get massive health, armor, and health regen, and even better movement than Lissandra. Mid lanes get massive movement, speed, and massive damage. Bottom lanes have massive range and massive damage and can massive vampiric heal. Supports get massive utility at low risk to themself, massive health, armor, or damage. Junglers get bruisyness or assassinniness, all with massive damage, massive speed, massive blink, and massive health regen.

Lissandra gets NONE of the benefits of any character from any lane, and is the weakest hands down on the rift. Her KDA's are always negative, 5 kills, 7 deaths, or something ridiculous like that. I always tend to do 3-5 kills, 2ish deaths. So i play better than 90% of Lissandra's, but am too squishy to not feed.

It's time to fix Lissandra, and no, she should not be made to be blowuppable constantly because she is a SHORT RANGE SQUISHY MAGE WITH NO SUSTAIN OR SPEED. NO OTHER MAGE HAS THIS PROBLEM.

18 Comments

BloodyTompon7/16/2016, 9:30:35 AM3 votes

She's difficult to buff tbh. Liss is relatively meta independent (at least significantly more resistant to changes in meta than most other mages/champs). This is for two reasons. Firstly, CC is always good and she is very good at kiting, disengage, shutting down melee and a god at initiation. Second, Liss is relatively gold independent. None of the first things rely on gold. Her only CC that scales is W. The TL:DR is that she's a very consistent champ. As much as I like her, I don't think she needs a buff atm and I wouldn't support one that didn't add more variance to her kit.

Also,

SHORT RANGE SQUISHY MAGE WITH NO SUSTAIN OR SPEED. NO OTHER MAGE HAS THIS PROBLEM.

LIss has E, which gives her very good engage and escape.

Annie Malzahar Karthus Anivia Brand Orianna Veigar

There are mid-short range mages with no dash (like Liss E )., no sustain and often build squishy.

Banana Nations7/16/2016, 9:13:11 AM2 votes

she gets pro play so she wont get buffed, simple, and she doesnt need it but thats beside your point

The Last Ballad7/16/2016, 8:36:20 AM2 votes

The thing is, she is a BATTLE MAGE. Like Swain Karthus and Vladimir. She has low health? Build tanky ap items like item 3151 and item 3027. A 10 ms buff to put her in range of the other battle mages would be fair, but not more than that.

And your gross generalities disgust me.

Top lanes get massive health, armor, and health regen, and even better movement than Lissandra.

Swain only has 70 more base health than she does at lvl 18. Vlad? Only 55 more. The reason they usually have more health is that they build it, not through base stats. If Soraka can become a decent ap tank, a battle mage like Lissandra can do it better.

Mid lanes get massive movement, speed, and massive damage.

Karthus? +10 ms, comparable damage. And no free zhonya's (with damage) that will also heal you for a good chunk.

Bottom lanes have massive range and massive damage and can massive vampiric heal.

You are comparing a mage to an adc and complaining that they do not have the same strengths? What made you think that this would be a good idea. At least compare her to other battlemages or burst mages, which is closer to comparing two different apples than comparing an apple to a submachine gun and being disappointed that the apple does not shoot.

Her KDA's are always negative

According to champion.gg, she averages 6.1 kills and 6.1 deaths. So she breaks even actually, far from being "always" negative. In fact, the only thing that she is not that good at or even comparable to, is getting kills, while deaths are ever so slightly better(which means less deaths) than the average for most mid champs.

And seeing as her win rate is 49.29, which is almost perfect for a champ, just .71% off of being exactly 50% which is the goal, she is far from being the weakest. In mid that goes to Mordekaiser. At top that goes to Nunu, with Mordekaiser being not far behind.

And if she is so squishy, try building her off tank in a normal. Try out different builds to make her work for you. If she dissatisfies you that much, try finding a different champ to play.

Leblancs Boob7/16/2016, 7:48:30 AM2 votes

So we should increase her damage, increase her spell ranges across the board, increase her MS, and lower her mana costs. Wow I never thought of that. You should be a game designer.

Revali7/16/2016, 8:23:11 AM2 votes

just give her a new passive and lower the q mana cost

bam. good buff, and not overtuned ( depending on passive.)

Zolob1/28/2017, 3:47:48 AM1 votes

I've played Lissandra since she came out and have been maining her since then. What i have found is that she really kind of plays according to her lore, how she manipulates and creates devious plans to bend circumstances to her own personal benefit. Same with in lane, I normally play her top rather than mid and when I find I'm being played against aggressively I simply just focus on cc forcing whomever back under turret or setting them up for a gank. What if Someone gets to close? W them and E away, very simple really just the timing has to be right, get silenced and the E becomes useless. I also feel like when I play her I become more of an opportunist player or as the person who sets the team up for kills. Idk i have no problem with her at all, i just focus on her CD and Q spam, the splash effect of it is extremely useful.

kebslol7/16/2016, 7:48:49 AM1 votes

Only cowards downvote without comments. Unless you're a diamond Lissandra main, your voice doesn't count.

Godhri7/16/2016, 8:40:50 AM1 votes

Lissandra is incredibly strong. She has a load of CC. Like her entire kit is CC. Her poke potential is huge with her Q range which goes up if you hit something with it. Her R heals her which is great for situations where you get dove under turret.

I recently (a day or two ago) carried a game as Lissandra with 20+ kills and less than 10 deaths. She is incredibly strong in the right hands. You don't even have to rush HP items on her for her to kick ass. I like rushing Needlessly Large Rod on her because it gives her a huge power spike if I'm at least caught up in gold and not behind. Due to her slow move speed and general kit though, she does have major weaknesses which are exploited by other champions, but she is a pretty strong champ as it is.

In that game that I carried as Lissandra, I literally 1 v 3 their team and won. Two shotted their adc and support at the same time with E (for engage) WQ. Then R their jungler and killed her too.

moonborn7/30/2016, 3:39:19 PM1 votes

that's the issue that you have when you give a mobility spell(E) and tons of CC in a champion - it has to come at some price, whether it's base damages, that are really low(but all of her spells are AOE), or mana sustain or anything else.

Normally Liss to me feels like a champion with atrocious mana issues, her passive doesn't count because her mana pool and regen are one of the lowest in the game and on top of it - her mana costs are one of the highest.

the good thing about Liss is that she fits in pretty much every team - CC is always wanted. and i wili definitely much rather see Liss mid than for example.. a Katarina. the bad thing is that building her is really difficult - naturally she's super squishy. so you need item 3027 item 3001 item 3157 . i feel like she needs everything : tons of AP for damage, CDR for being able to E in the battle and possibly E out of the battle(or in the battle for damage), and then she needs health, mr and armor to survive all that and at least 1 mana item(like ROA or morello) to at least not be oom continuously. so to me she is very item dependant. she can be a good carry if you rush item 3001 item 3020 item 3165 item 3089 . but she will fall short in survivability and will explode in the team with within the first CC. or you build her all-round with everything and fall short on the damage until you are able to build a item 3135 at the end of the game.

pro plays will probably make her buffs never appear. but a little changes would be wonderful. i would love to see a new passive and lower mana costs(or same mana costs but a new passive). even if her passive was like.. gaining CDR 5/10/15%, would mean a lot and would broaden her item build path a little bit. as right now she just needs everything, and everything is impossible.