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6 bans aren't enough

Bolwinkel··97 votes·3,801 views

Riot, I love the whole idea with giving 1 ban to a player instead of all bans to one player. However, 6 bans aren't enough. I end up done with banning phase unsatisfied because I know there will still be someone who is really strong that is super annoying to play against. Why didn't you give 1 ban to each player? 10 bans in total. I mean, in the old champion select, it looked like there was room for two more champion icons to be in the banned area. Almost like you intended to add more bans.

Edit: I hadn't thought of this until you guys brought it up. Yes, this would make it so you would need to have 20 champions to play draft. This is because there is the super super super rare possiblity that of the 10 bans, they're all champions that you own or are on free week, then all the rest of the champions picked are the only ones that you have and you're last pick. If you have any less than 20 champions and this occurs, you're screwed. Also, this game has 120+ champions. 6 bans aren't enough.

Edit: To those who are saying that 6 bans are plenty, here are what the bans for my games normally look like. My Team: | Enemy Team: Dr. Mundo | Garen
Darius | Gangplank Blitzcrank | Poppy

There are still more champions that are super strong right at the moment and can easily carry games. I'd love to be able to have 2 more bans for my team so we could ban things like Nidalee and Tahm Kench. Then the other team has 2 more bans as well.

47 Comments

Sharyn12 votes

the point of banning isn't to get rid of every one that I could potentially be annoying to play against or to get rid of all of the Fotm champs. Even if riot gave us 10 champs to ban, it wouldn't fix much. With over 100 champions, every champ can be annoying if played right, or if played against the right person. We just have to learn how to either counter pick, or how to play against annoying champions.

Bolwinkel21 votes

Still, 120+ champions and we can only ban 6 of them. sigh

XxShirosamaxX4 votes

most people don't have all 120 champions though and with 5 people each person would have to have 24 champs that aren't the same as his team mates and even counting the free to play they don't even get counted in ranked so it doesn't matter. either way the probably isn't very high that all 120+ champions are going to be available to ban. which brings up another problem. people flaming in champ select because the one they wanted banned wasn't because it wasn't available which leads to in game problems and over all tilt.

Aazzlano2 votes

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most people don't have all 120 champions though and with 5 people each person would have to have 24 champs that aren't the same as his team mates and even counting the free to play they don't even get counted in ranked so it doesn't matter. either way the probably isn't very high that all 120+ champions are going to be available to ban. which brings up another problem. people flaming in champ select because the one they wanted banned wasn't because it wasn't available which leads to in game problems and over all tilt.

A lot of high elo players have all the champions because they have been playing for a long time. Personally I own all the champs and all the useful runes (and a ton of random fun ones) and have 70k+ IP leftover. And I know a LOT of people that own them all. And even if one person didn't own them all, there are 4 other people to cover that as well.

LordGeovanni1 votes

if a champion isnt avaliable for ban that means that no one on the enemy team owns that champion also. that thing about people being pissy currently happens its not gonna change its the same people. but if everyone has a ban at least they get one choice. i quite literally ban kalista almost every chance i get i dont consider that dam martial poise fair when most common cc in the game is slows. and attack speed slows arnt much at all unless you got a nasus on ur team even thinking that lee sin could have his attack speed slow back so people could have more coutner play to kalista that or have slows factor into her attack speed

oO5 Dynasty1 votes

We just have to learn how to either counter pick, or how to play against annoying champions. .............................................

Like Teemo lol.

Deus Imperator6 votes

Even 10 isn't enough to ban all the present cancer in the game

100% Banned:Jax,Mundo Top:Riven Middle:Zed,Yasuo,Fizz Jungle:Lee sin,Kahn Tench ADC:Miss Fortune,Lucian Support:Blitzkrang,Soraka,Bard,Lux

These are the ones I try to ban the most, and that's WAY over 6 already

Bard in a Diaper6 votes

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Even 10 isn't enough to ban all the present cancer in the game

100% Banned:Jax,Mundo Top:Riven Middle:Zed,Yasuo,Fizz Jungle:Lee sin,Kahn Tench ADC:Miss Fortune,Lucian Support:Blitzkrang,Soraka,Bard,Lux

These are the ones I try to ban the most, and that's WAY over 6 already

because the majority you listed arent banworthy, you made some weird hybrid list of banworthy champs and then bronzy autism champs. Riven, yasuo, lee sin, for example are not even close to being banworthy lol.

XxShirosamaxX6 votes

then leave the bronzy bans and opinions to be judged by other bronze players you are just feeling high on your pedastle right now with this comments huh.

Kaioko3 votes

He's 100% right though. 6 Bans is plenty.

Knoyle3 votes

6 out of 120?

Rıots Bad Client2 votes

I guess you're right about yas, riven, lee(Aswell as Zed imo)

But they're played ever game. And usually feed with them(on my team and enemy). Its just nice to see some color in the game rather then the same champs.

stealthfox941 votes

lol most of these champs aren't ban worthy at all.

Nicktoons6 votes

The point of ranked is to see how consistently you can win in different circumstances. If you could ban a ton of champions there would be no point in playing. YAYYYY, you made it to X elo, but all you did was ban the champions that countered you every match... "wow u didnt ban X champion, im dodging" <---this type of person exists, I see them every day.

Also, some champions are meant to be 100% annoying. Think about your minions, everyone uses minions for safety but Yasuo turns your minions against you because he literally gains more mobility to chop you into to pieces with from your minions.

Everything is annoying in league, even the champion you play is annoying. Riot should Nerf and gut your champion because 0 counterplay, op af.

Bolwinkel8 votes

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"wow u didnt ban X champion, im dodging" <---this type of person exists, I see them every day.

That's the point that each person the game gets 1 ban.

Nicktoons1 votes

What if Each person bans a champion that you do not find suitable to ban?

Here are the bans: Teemo | Urgot Eve | Alistar Talon | Taric Gnar | Shaco Your ban | Jayce

The 6 or 5 champions you listed in your first post aren't banned. But you still got a ban right? Will you dodge?

Orangesilk3 votes

You're banning Blitzcrank Poppy Garen Darius that's why you don't have enough bans, you're banning useless garbage.

Bolwinkel1 votes

well you see, I can't ban 4 people now can I? I can only ban 1 person and that's if I am one of the last 3 picks.

XxShirosamaxX2 votes

100% agree with you

Yuumi or Lose2 votes

It's crazy. This idea has been suggested so many times but never looked at. It's like Riot sees this but ignores it because of odd reasons. They really need to make it 5 bans each team, 1 ban per person.

FrodoBagginses1 votes

This would work but even adding one ban per team would help. Also here is my ban list per role if you are wondering: Top: Mundo, Jax, Illoai Jng: Jax, Shaco Mid: Zed, Talon ADC: MF, Lucian Support: Blitz, Tahm If you disagree with my bans it's fine but looking at this list I wish we could have one more ban per team as the number of OP or at slight advantage champs increase. As many of the past reworks and champ release lead to mass unbalance within a role. Bans are to give security and if you feel very little security after ban phase we need more. As of recent I find this to be a large problem as when I try out certain 'OP' champ and go 20 2 I feel unsafe if they have them from personnel expierance of being them. Also people please don't ban champs that aren't worth a ban that you can just learn to counter by playing them for a week.

iHerring1 votes

As a side note, would increasing the bans also increase the minimum champs to play ranked?

As the moment with 6 bans you must own at least 16 champions, I guess with 10 bans you must now own at least 20, for whatever that's worth.

DunkinNoobs1 votes

I can't even think of 6 champions worth banning now. What the hell do you need 10 bans for?

Im your Romeo1 votes

there is not need for baning any champ if all champ are OP. all champs are capable to doing something.

Knoyle2 votes

All are capable of doing something but, some do it way better.

SociopathFriend1 votes

Remember that increasing bans also means increasing the number of champions required to own to even attempt Ranked. For new players this would make a game already relatively famous for being hard to "start" even harder to get into Draft games.

Enna1 votes

You're lucky to get any bans. Bans are not necessary. Certain champions are meant to snowball easy when only given a few kills. When facing those snowball champions, you need to be careful and not die to them. A lot of people don't realize why they die and aren't as careful or aware of what they're doing that gets them killed. The bans are a mercy from Riot because you can't always trust your team to not let those certain champions snowball.

Expecting the ability to ban all other strong champions than the one you want to play is an ignorant expectation.

Bolwinkel1 votes

Yes, because I totally want the enemy team to pick a champion like skarner after the juggernaut update. I totally don't want to play ranked with the enemy team first picking someone like that and not having a chance to ban him. Cough I hate Juggernauts Cough

Dengeden1 votes

You could ban out marksmen and supports with that many bans. Or assassins, only a handful of them are ever viable (until people forget they were nerfed and then get them nerfed again).

Or conversely, why do you have a problem with Darius but not Renekton? With Garen but not with Malphite? With GP but not with Jax/Vlad? With Blitz but not with Naut/Thresh/Leo? With Poppy but not with Cho'Gath (both have unreliable skill shots galore)? Mundo's a bitch.

Jobbly1 votes

The way I see it is that if there are that many OP champions and you can only ban 6 of them, each team can still pick the left over broken champs, making it reasonably balanced in the end

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Very Epic Guy1 votes

I feel like they should really just give a ban to everyone... Like really. They can ban the champ they struggle the most against.

mikemcparty1 votes

I just don't like that bans are randomly given to players. For me, everyone should get one ban. It just isn't fair to be playing mid, having 1st or second pick after getting no bans, and then getting hard countered by the other team. By making it one ban per player, you allow for the hard counters to get removed (not just the op fotm champs). Personally, I don't have a problem with a few of the champs that are commonly banned, but as a diana main I look to ban lux, lb, or zed.

ADCsBabysítter1 votes

so in other words you just want to be able to ban everyone's hard counters and sit back and Have an easy game... naw man. Six Bans are more than enough. If I was developing I wouldnt even do that many. Maybe 2 bans for each team... if you're lucky

Chaos Milk Tea1 votes

A lot of the time it's a matter of not just banning what is too strong, but what is strong against you. Smart bans aren't just about what is OP, but knowing what WON'T be OP against your team. Say for example you have strong counter to Mundo who can buly him out of lane. Counter picking meta champs is just as effective as banning them. Remember when Rammus' winrate skyrockted when ADCs were in every lane?

Also, it's absolutely possible to make sub optimal bans, such as poppy who is sitting at a pretty medium power level but doesn't have a lot of massively oppressive match ups. She is new though, and so some who don't get her kit ban her.

Dehorn1 votes

stop banning champs that dont affect your games. people are wasting their bans based on what the forums say is op. take mundo for example. hes 100% must ban?! yet i play with silver/gold/plats every game and in the past few months not a single mundo was ever a factor in game. great, you banned mundo, poppy, and blitz, now zed, rengar, vayne (which are never banned) solo the match, again. think for yourself.

Arcade Andrew1 votes

They should have made it ten bans to begin with, one per person. I don't really care that it's only 6 bans or whatever. My issue is there still isn't 100% even ban power across an entire team

Three people get bans instead of one now sure, but there are still two others who get zero say in which champion will get banned

WutsKraken1 votes

6 bans ARE plenty

Almost all of your bans are extremely easy to play around, you just need to figure out how, not just get rekty constantly because you never learn

Garen and Darius are old news there's plenty of ways to completely crush them, Blitzcrank is a lowbie stomper, Poppy NEEDS a coordinated team

CatboyAsbel1 votes

how in the heck do you get to banning those kinda champs.

By the time I get the people in my elo to ban Tahm Cancer, Soraka, Mundo and Jax I'm like w0w we have a ban left uuuuhhhhhh Graves.

Taryn1 votes

In my opinion if the 10 banned champions just so happen to be the only 10 champions that an individual knows how to play then they need to start learning how to play more than just the flavor of the month champions, since those are the ones that get banned.

I fully support more bans because with the way champions are being released/reworked 6 bans just isn't enough to avoid all the bs coming down the pipe.

Silents4291 votes

Adding more bans does nothing, you just get the same problem you experience now where whoever you don't ban gets picked and then they annoy the hell out of you.

Even more unshocking I don't think you know what the pointing of banning is, technically it's meant to ban certain champions that will be a bitch for your team to deal with, now you can try arguing that applies to any champion you deem annoying or to popular but it really doesn't, you should be banning champions that actually get picked and would counter your team if choosen, it's not suppose to be a personal "Who don't I feel like seeing today" for you.

And the 120+ champions argument doesn't hold water, not only is it unlikely for everyone in that game to have all the champions, but for them to know how to play them, and actually use them? For some of those to be a good pick? The number starts going down fast the harder you think about it.

Holoin1 votes

There is something called counter pick. So far, The champs I cant counter are jax(even if he loses early game, he can get fed very easily in mid/late game) voli(his passive is too insane) ,brand (too much aoe burst damage and a stun included) and Illaoi ( the tentacles do too mucb damage). As long as these 4 are banned, i am ok because every other champion can be countered. So, only 4 super op champs, and 2 bans still left, so yes 6 bans is plenty. Just learn how counter pick and how to make counter builds in the middle of the game.

Migrañaboy1 votes

Now that I read you r post OP I understand the reason that Riot wants us to play with friends instead of solo.

With friends, 3 bans are based on the picks that the team don't want as a whole. After wall you can still use some strategic picks to counter other cancerous picks.

Solo Q, you want to ban almost anything you deem cancerous, OP, FOTM.

nvrdone1 votes

Why is the fact that his elo is wasting bans on darius/garen/blitz not the topic of discussion?

High51 votes

I will down rank this every time it hits the hot board list. Don't ask for more bans. Spend the time to learn more champs.

Please don't dumb down the game for lazy players.

LatticeGrimoire1 votes

The game started with 3 bans with 1/3 the champs and riot can not balance them for you to acutely have any thought about who to ban you just have to ban the 6 top op champs

NGNL Asian1 votes

Dude I personally think that 6 champions banned is good. If you can ban any more champions, you're legitly destroying the other player's pools. I mean I'm not a Riven main myself but I would feel bad for them. And those Teemo mains. And those Garen, Mundo, Illaoi, Jax, etc mains. 10 bans is way too much. Just way too much. You're requiring the lower levels to buy champions to test out a new experience for them

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