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Make a Melee ONLY Last Whisper made for AD casters

Rain NT··4 votes·455 views

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzi4J7eTGuY This is what they are making to replace LW, and its not good boys...... if you like to play tanks or squishies.. welp youre dead, and all you guys who put a negative vote earlier, well if we dont do something, they will release this item

My idea instead after playing this game since beta Since the old LW being remove, its making AD casters have a REALLY hard time dealing with these tanks. Yes I know that they shouldnt be able to kill tanks anyway, but they are useless against them atm. And you (riot has) notice(d) this too by adding a new AD assassin item to the game, but the concept of it, its just broken. If this is the item to replace the old LW, then I rather have the old LW.

Maybe have a stat line :

Built from long sword + Lastwhiper

Full cost 2550g

(Melee ONLY) 45 AD 30% armor pen of bonus armor 40% armor pen total armor on physical damage spell damage.

23 Comments

Critmaster Garen2 votes

there is a ton of flat armor pen on assassin items already. and theyre adding another one. what exactly is the issue here?

runes, masteries, item 3142 item 3156 and the new duskblade soon.

if thats still not enough you can go cleaver. it all adds up.

MisterHealYoGirl1 votes

Flat pen is pretty bad against tanks. If Rammus has a Thornmail, a Youmuu's will increase your damage by about 8%. If Jinx has an Infinity Edge, a Youmuu's will increase your damage by 17%.

Critmaster Garen2 votes

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Flat pen is pretty bad against tanks. If Rammus has a Thornmail, a Youmuu's will increase your damage by about 8%. If Jinx has an Infinity Edge, a Youmuu's will increase your damage by 17%.

oh excuse me princess. are we having poblems just bursting down an armor tank?

thats supposed to work this way. your targets are squishy adc and other low resistance targets. if everyone could just burst tanks, then there is no such thing as a tank.

thats why ad assassins and ad casters deal almost true damage to adc with these flat penetration bonuses, but a health and armor stacking tank or fighter are harder to deal with, as flat penetration isnt as effective against high armor targets.

Rain NT2 votes

Well you better start rethinking, cause you wont be able to play tanks anymore because Riot apparently dont like tank or squishies, cause this item will kill them all lol. Its either you petition for them not to have this item, or you find other ways to replace it. But this item is coming. The AD Assassin meta is coming back very soon lol

MisterHealYoGirl1 votes

What? I wasn't saying that assassins should be going after tanks. You seemed to be saying that flat penetration was good against them, so I did some math. If I misinterpreted what you were saying in your original comment, I'm sorry for the confusion, but that's definitely not what I was saying.

Rain NT2 votes

The new duskblade is basically AD caster DFG. I'm asking them not to add that item, cause I just saw it on the PBE. It doesnt matter if youre bronze or platinum (and I wont speak for diamond who are higher than me) but that item shreds... you can be squishy or tank you'll still explode.

An 'weaker' version of the previous LW is a better item to deal with tanks cause you are right we have a decent amount of pen items already, but its not enough so thats why Riot is making this new OP item to deal with them. Why cant they go half way and make an item thats decent but not OP.

Rain NT2 votes

You dont build flat pen to deal with armor, you need total percentage armor pen. Thats why they are making that item... and oh.. it feels bad man. If all these players dont listen, then I dont care lol.. I'll just play my mains which are ad casters anyway and make them cry.

I try to help you guys even if it hits me, I try to make this game fair. But I guess its not going to work. I'mma repost this when the item comes out and you'll see.

Critmaster Garen2 votes

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You dont build flat pen to deal with armor, you need total percentage armor pen. Thats why they are making that item... and oh.. it feels bad man. If all these players dont listen, then I dont care lol.. I'll just play my mains which are ad casters anyway and make them cry.

I try to help you guys even if it hits me, I try to make this game fair. But I guess its not going to work. I'mma repost this when the item comes out and you'll see.

i think tanks and heavy fighters will be fine. items like item 3053 exist to counteract burst, and if youre building duskblade without easy access to % armor pen, then armor stacking becomes effective against assassin burst.

youre not dealing a lot of damage to those guys in the first place to have the passive really hit for a lot.

the more damage you deal to your target relatively to his maximum health pool before the the effect triggers, the harder it hits. meaning it will not hit health and armor stacking tanks and fighters as hard as adc.

im not worried about assassins having access to flat armor pen and this item. id be more worried if they had something like the old last whisper with this item.

Rain NT2 votes

You see, thats how I know you didnt play on the PBE yet. Its a first rush item, you dont have much armor yet and you dont have much hp yet. And by the time you do buy them items, you already lost the game. And also even if you did buy all those items, its still REALLY strong. It feels bad man, when youre playing a tank and boom you lose 50% hp if not dead because they have 3 pen items lol (Dust/Youm/LordDom).

Atleast with my idea, they cant build both Dust and LW combination.

Critmaster Garen2 votes

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You see, thats how I know you didnt play on the PBE yet. Its a first rush item, you dont have much armor yet and you dont have much hp yet. And by the time you do buy them items, you already lost the game. And also even if you did buy all those items, its still REALLY strong. It feels bad man, when youre playing a tank and boom you lose 50% hp if not dead because they have 3 pen items lol (Dust/Youm/LordDom).

Atleast with my idea, they cant build both Dust and LW combination.

ok, as a rushed item this might become a problem. could probably be fixed by making some of the stats level scaling.

either way, gearing assassins towards flat pen makes more sense than giving them % pen.

they could just just do something with the item like with the precision mastery and only have it reach 10 to 15 flat pen at lvl 18.

Rain NT1 votes

dude I hate the tank meta, cause its boring.

but when I see sht like this... ohh man, I cant just sit by and let it happen. I can benefit from it cause my champs are weak atm cause of the tank meta, BUT I DONT WANT TO JUST DESTROY THEM. I want a chance to beat them, but that item is more of a BEAT DOWN.

Its like you build hp and armor, but if you build armor and hp Lord dom will kill you, if you dont.. Dust ^ will kill you, and if you have both items, youre done as a tank lol.

Critmaster Garen1 votes

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dude I hate the tank meta, cause its boring.

which tank meta?

because im seing 3 to 5 marksmen every game... please tell me how with marksmen in the jungle, in solo lanes and in bot lane simultanously, this is still a tank meta?

the tank meta ended with the cinderhulk and sejuani nerfs.

and even then it was debatable if there ever was a tank meta, or people just getting used to the fact that tanks existed in the game again after being simply not viable for 2 years.

this is seriously grinding my gears. im looking into featured solo que games and the teams that dont have 2 marksmen are far less common than those who have. and people still insist this is a tank meta.

Rain NT1 votes

Mundo Tahm Malphite Sion, I dont know where you are playing, but Mundo Tham Malphite are the top 3 bans where I'm playing.

Critmaster Garen2 votes

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Mundo Tahm Malphite Sion, I dont know where you are playing, but Mundo Tham Malphite are the top 3 bans where I'm playing.

you are aware, that malphite became one of the top picks the moment marksmen were buffed? its what tends to happen. if you buff a type of champion to be op, then their hard counters become op aswell. only one of 2 teams can have malphite and the team who does has the best chances at taking out the most powerful opponent.

same way rammus saw a massive spike in winrate at the start of the season, despite both champions seing pretty significant armor nerfs on items and masteries.

tahm has been strong since his release due to his kit and mundo is a bruiser. he gained significant buffs and theyre tuning him down again right now.

this hardly qualifies for a "tank meta" especially when that doesnt seem to keep people from picking 2 or 3 marksmen into their team on a regular basis.

Rain NT1 votes

And you are right, thats why AD assassin are no longer in the meta. Thats why Riot is trying to balance it, but instead they are KILLING the tanks in general because tanks wont be able to wait that long for their items and also its not that terrible vs tanks anyway (if you have a secondary pen item or even 3 pen items, pull off your burst correctly).

Note: this item would have never happen IF TAHM MUNDO OR MALPHITE was strong in the first place, but they are and the tanks are strong as well cause they are the only one that can deal with the ADCs.

If Riot wants to try to balance, this item is not the right way to do it, but I cant see any other way to do it. YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND, Riot is TRYING to find a way to deal with these tanks, and its one way or another. And I rather have something not too OP, but still balanced

Critmaster Garen1 votes

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dude I hate the tank meta, cause its boring.

but when I see sht like this... ohh man, I cant just sit by and let it happen. I can benefit from it cause my champs are weak atm cause of the tank meta, BUT I DONT WANT TO JUST DESTROY THEM. I want a chance to beat them, but that item is more of a BEAT DOWN.

Its like you build hp and armor, but if you build armor and hp Lord dom will kill you, if you dont.. Dust ^ will kill you, and if you have both items, youre done as a tank lol.

as for the other thing, they could probably just turn it into a mini zed ult, where instead of dealing % missing hp damage, the passive could just deal a fixed amount of damage with a small ad scaling portion.

almost like an ad ludens echo. just with the auto attack trigger.

the real problem of the item would probably just be as you said. if an adc and an assassin team up to blow up a tank.

but i still think that the concept of a flat armor pen item makes more sense for assassins.

Rain NT1 votes

The main problem is if an assassin has 2 items. One a flat armor pen item with high AD and burst passive, second a bonus armor pen item that does 15% more physical damage if you have (500) more HP then them. With those two items alone, the tank is dead. And I clearly saw it with my own eyes that they burst, if they put in an luden echo effect, it will be stronger against squishies which Riot doesnt want, plus Riot wants an item to deal better with tanks anyway, because they do agree that AD casters are weak atm.

Having a weaker version of the previous LW is better to deal with the AD assassin because its not crazy like that previous LW (cost more, less pen). But also cause then you cant build it with another LW item (passive interation) like Dust+LW can

Yosuke Apperu1 votes

So... You want darius to have roughly 70 percent armor pen on his q? Are you insane?

Rain NT1 votes

No spells only 40% total amor pen ONLY Spells

And aa 30 bonus armor pen.

To separate them

Yosuke Apperu1 votes

Darius q is a spell.. Lol

Rain NT1 votes

What I mean is, 40% total armor pen ONLY to spells not including the 30% bonus armor pen passive.

And the 30% bonus armor pen will only be for AA.

So his Q will ONLY have 40% total armor pen not 70% And his AA will only have 30% bonus armor pen

Yosuke Apperu1 votes

Ah perhaps I should clarify, darius passively gets 25% armor pen with his pull at max rank, If he wants he can take the 7% from the ferocity mastery tree,which would give him 72% armor pen... lol

Rain NT1 votes

right forgot about that passive.. True that could be a bit strong, but then again he has to use up another slot to get that item, plus it will only work on his Q (the total pen passive). Since one of his core is BC, it wouldnt be too good to go double down into offensive without trade offs. but think about it the old LW gave him the SAME amount of armor pen anyway but not only on his Q, and he still wasnt the number one pick (after a bunch of hotfix nerf). Not to mention Darius is really weak atm anyway.

If anything reduce the armor pen passive to 30-35% of the item, its still 2550 gold.. and you wont really see the effectiveness until late game when he maxes E

Hey I'm not saying I want Darius back, I hate playing him and I hate playing against him. Its either boring or annoying lol but he is weak atm, I had a good win rate with him even though he was boring but I built more tank then damage unless I was REALLY ahead and even then it could be a bad idea.

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