Hecarim coming in with a stormrazor - no counter.
Blue Kayn with stormrazor - you lost.
Rengar with stormrazor. Kha'zix with stormrazor.
Assassins/burst champions in general will become too powerful with this item and the indirect buffs. I like every change except Stormrazor. I do not believe it should be an additional item.
IxozieI9 votesIt's going to be Duskblade on steroids. The amount of ungodly damage that a Rengar will be able to put out mid-game . . . yikes!
Warlord Rhinark1 votesRengar's ult already makes his next basic attack crit though.
Keevalroy7 votesThis shouldn't need to be pointed out by anyone, and should be common sense. The last time we warned Riot about adding a disgustingly toxic item was Duskblade, which did EXACTLY what we warned them it would do, and they're still trying to fix it...but sure, this one won't break the game... "Believe me."
The only thing missing this time is Axes and Meddler jumping into the fray to defend another mistake of creation that shouldn't be released. But we have time. I'll wait.
Killer of Night95 votesStormrazor crit should be weak (120% dmg instead of 200%) that scale with crit % with a max of 200% when it hit 50-60% crit chance. This prevent assasin from abuse it while at the same time being not much strong on draven/cait. If the basic attack was alredy a crit, it would deal the normal value of crit damage. Small tweak on ashe.
FrostlySpark1 votesRiot should hire you
HàrrowR1 votesWhy? That was the worst idea ever,no one would buy that item over 
HàrrowR1 votesIts funny that you got up voted since this is one of the stupidest ideas ever,why would anyone even buy that version of the item when you could just go BF sword into Shiv,you'd get 30% crit, that crits for 200% damage instead of your 120%,you'd get MS AS Wave clear,burst,and you would have 40 damage from the bf sword,add some more gold and you have Infinity and Shiv,your item would be useful only as a 3rd item where it wouldn't matter that you have a guaranteed first crit since you already crit for 60%,get another basic zeal and you're at 100%
haaaaaaalp4 votesNot sure why everyone is freaking out about melee champions breaking the item, ranged ad champions invariably always use ad items better than melee ones. Duskblade is much healthier on paper and it was abused by marksmen much more than assassins on release when there was no range/melee split. As long as an ad item gives the same benifits to ranged and melee champions, ranged champions will use it better.
saltran2 votesMost adcs will just go for the IE + 2 Zeal item imo, there's no point in delaying their dps for a guaranted crit.
Maybe Jhin or MF will use Stormrazor.
HàrrowR1 votesIn theory yes,we hate to wait to see it in practice,you could have also said that for duskblade,no point in delaying the crit build,but i remember when Duskblade was buffed you didn't need crit and you dealt hell of a lot more damage than a crit build would do at 1 or 2 items.
I wish i filmed it,i managed to kill Nami with a single auto with lethality+crit Lucian,full hp,i remember Jhin doing 80% of the HP with one auto,so yeah,we will just have to see how it plays out,most people forget that it gives 25% AS and 8% ms when you crit,so it will be either a good first item or a good third item instead of a 2nd zeal,i know i wont go 2 zeals since you will have 60% crit with the new 
and one and 1 guaranteed crit with Stormrazor so it will feel more like you have 70% or 80% crit in short fights where you exchange only few autos,not to mention that it also gives AD AS and then on top of that more free AS and MS when you start critting which lasts for 1.5 seconds,more than enough to get 2 autos in and constantly refresh this passive,so you're trading 65 AD 50AS 8MS and a 100% first crit and a burst from Shiv for another zeal item that frankly wont be as worth since some %crit will be wasted going over the limit and you would have only +80 AD from IE that no longer crits for 250% to make up for the fact that you have very low AD
HàrrowR3 votesHonestly they only need to make Duskblade and Stormrazor exclusive or something. Stormrazor isn't nearly as good of an Assassin item,or an item in general as Duskblade.
Duskblade gives Lethality,gives a damage proc that can be utilized better by some assassins like Kha,Shaco or Talon (multiple procs since you only need to remain hidden for 1 second compared to not attacking for 2.5 seconds with Stormrazor) , gives CDR,which again is more usefull to assassins that AS and gives most of all a free Red trinket that can make the difference between standing in the brush and killing your enemy or standing there waiting for an Ashe arrow to hit you and for you to die. It even slows your enemy down making it easier for you to land the rest of the combo
Now the only trouble i see is if you go 
and then Stormrazors,that would probably be too much guaranteed damage in a single auto
5050BS3 votesSo this is a thing.
Champ with a Q that = Auto attack + Stormrazer + + 
Sex With Annie2 votesJust make it ranged only.
Bonipherus2 votesit's almost like riot can't learn from their own mistakes
first dfg then duskblade now stormrazor
but hey, you don't have to play the game to know how to balance it amirite?
Fear the Kayn1 votesIt's one crit. Remember Sword of the Divine? Even that item was very niche, and only used on a couple of champs (most notably Rengo). It will be balanced IMO.
Elohaven6 votesDark Harvest+Stormrazor = balanced and fun?
Ryrynounet1 votesWell, before dark harvest become efficient the game might be over tho
Dasdi967 votes[{quoted}](name=Fear the Kayn,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XhwpGTdY,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-05-07T22:34:42.879+0000)
It's one crit. Remember Sword of the Divine? Even that item was very niche, and only used on a couple of champs (most notably Rengo). It will be balanced IMO.
Well combined with dark harvest and will result in insane amounts of dmg with just the 1st auto attack.
Fear the Kayn2 votesWell combined with dark harvest and
I've always stood by my opinion that if an assassin can manage to get to a squishy that has no support shields, that squishy should insta die.
ZapMyHeart8 votes[{quoted}](name=Fear the Kayn,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XhwpGTdY,comment-id=000000010000,timestamp=2018-05-08T01:24:39.049+0000)
I've always stood by my opinion that if an assassin can manage to get to a squishy that has no support shields, that squishy should insta die.
Meanwhile, the assassin or ADC can tank a full mage rotation with their face and still not die.
IxozieI12 votes[{quoted}](name=Fear the Kayn,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XhwpGTdY,comment-id=000000010000,timestamp=2018-05-08T01:24:39.049+0000)
I've always stood by my opinion that if an assassin can manage to get to a squishy that has no support shields, that squishy should insta die.
You think that's fair when an assassin "getting to a squishy" literally involves right clicking on them? (Rengar)
That doesn't sound like a fun game to me, sorry.
Ryrynounet2 votesYou think that's fair when adc literally involves right clicking on the whol team ? (adc)
That doesn't sound like a fun game to me, sorry
Nyarlathοtep6 votesAdcs arent the only squishy champs. At least adc can survive a burst from rengar (or get revived through ga) mages cant.
SwiftKitten882 votesAdcs arent the only squishy champs. At least adc can survive a burst from rengar (or get revived through ga) mages cant.
yeah and they have a hell of a lot better tools that the rest of us do to as well
absurd life leech and shielding 
,
meaning in order to actually bring them down before they can attack u back to heal up u need 143% fatal damage. which fucks up champos that rely on % missing hp (such as nidalee takedown) even more becuase not only will the damage on the execute be lower, they wont have lost as much hp therefore it woulnt deal as much damage as it would if they were lower to begin with.
then there is 
so they can literally pic any freaking anti burst item they want, and you got cc and are ap?
say hello to 
, and we have a flat out 
buff as well. because no one building a maw vs a mage needs another mr item anyways.
AD assains and adc and frankly any ad champ in general have items for every damn situation.
as for ap? its just "build AP and HP" and your still going to get 1 shot. the only time and ap champ woudl build defensively is if they has to actually face multiple MR threats.
the only time and ap champ woudl build defensively is if they has to actually face multiple MR threats.
The funny thing is that even then, the only mr ap item that is viable on most mages is banshee's which is pretty meh since it can be poked down with ease.
Elohaven2 votesADCs requiring time to scale, farm, immense peel, and proper positioning/game knowledge before they can "right-click to win".
The pure setup for that, consistently throughout a game, to shred a whole team is hard considering most are single-target with only five ADCs being able to shred through whole teams themselves all with conditions based on positioning on all parties.
HàrrowR4 votesI've always stood by my opinion that if you play Caitlyn she should one shot everyone and have 10000 range cause she's a sniper and has a gun so she wins
egOrhythm4 votesI've always stood by my opinion that if you play Caitlyn she should one shot everyone and have 10000 range cause she's a sniper and has a gun so she wins
Jinx has a minigun but fires in three round bursts.
Where's my 6000 RPM and 7.62x51mm Riot? I demand my wif- my favorite champion's weapon be realistic!
Also, hello? It's a rocket launcher? Nobody is surviving a direct hit from a rocket launcher. Also, grenades? Uh yeah? Sure they got teeth and grab your shoes but they're still grenades! Kill radius is 49 feet at least for a frag grenade and she throws THREE.
UNREALISTIC!
AMYS GRAVE5 votesinsta death from stealth lacks counterplay and will never be a healthy mechanic, and stormrazor + duskblade + burst keystones enforce that playstyle.
Shuriman Curator2 votes[{quoted}](name=Fear the Kayn,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XhwpGTdY,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-05-07T22:34:42.879+0000)
It's one crit. Remember Sword of the Divine? Even that item was very niche, and only used on a couple of champs (most notably Rengo). It will be balanced IMO.
Sounds like you haven't played on pbe lmfao
SwiftKitten881 votes[{quoted}](name=Fear the Kayn,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XhwpGTdY,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-05-07T22:34:42.879+0000)
It's one crit. Remember Sword of the Divine? Even that item was very niche, and only used on a couple of champs (most notably Rengo). It will be balanced IMO.
its only 1 crit... every 2.5 seconds
D357R0Y3R1 voteshecarim is already garbage
stormrazor is fine, but it needs to not stack with duskblade
VoraciousX1 votesRiven with this item is scary af. Also someone on the PBE feedback boards mentioned "What if Nasus bought this item?"
