Sejuani jungle clear weak

Kilanost··3 votes·1,124 views

UPDATE: My OP was incorrect. I was trying to max E first like i used to before the jungle update after taking 2 points in W for better ganks and chaining slows. Can't do this anymore. Just have to max w and she purrs along just fine. Switching out a few armor seals for scaling health my have helped too but minimally I'm guessing.

I have been going through all my jungle champs figuring out how to balance building for a sufficiently fast clear while also building for my role. I have been successful with all of them to one extent or another with a single major exception:

Sejuani.

Despite her massive amounts of aoe damage, Sejuani has proven to have one of the worst clears throughout the game of any jungle I have played. Her first clear is her best clear which is, by comparison, still very weak. And it's all downhill from there.

Due to the scaling of the jungle, after her first clear, sejuani can't clear more than a few camps without taking a significant amount of damage even while building full tank. Her high early cool downs and the nature of her w force her to go toe to toe with jungle monsters much longer than most champions. Other champions such as amumu who have the same issue have better damage output through lower cool downs and better scaling that allow them to do so without being hurt by it nearly as badly as poor sejuani.

It's pretty sad when you play a jungler a few times and find yourself game after game hoping your midlaner will die while you're heading to raptors just so you can mooch some lane farm in the hope of catching up to your adc’s level. You can't even gank well because you're so under farmed/leveled that you become more of a liability in lane than a help most of the time beyond the use of your ultimate.

This all doesn't even consider how bad sejuani is at defending her jungle when being invaded by just about any other jungler in the game. If you look at the damage Sejuani puts out through autos and abilities over the course of a single skill rotation, I would almost guarantee she is one of the lowest in the game. So not only is she farming at a significantly lower pace than everyone else, she can't even defend her farm at the same level (and you won't be the same level because you can't farm so there's that too).

Riot please consider giving this champion some love. Also while balancing first clears is important with the new jungle, I would strongly urge you to look at clearing ability over time as well given the new scaling in the jungle. I and many others have adapted as best we can to the new changes but sejuani seems to not have any options available to adapt.

18 Comments

EndlessSorcerer3 votes

I took a quick look at your last Sejuani game.

I believe your main issue is that your runes (Magic Pen Marks, CDR Quints and Glyphs) offer little in terms of clearing your jungle.

If you want to improve your clear speed, I would recommend trying something along the following lines:

  • Quints: AP
  • Marks: Attack Speed
  • Seals: Scaling Health or Flat Armor
  • Flat/Scaling AP (or Scaling MR/CDR)
Kilanost2 votes

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I took a quick look at your last Sejuani game.

I believe your main issue is that your runes (Magic Pen Marks, CDR Quints and Glyphs) offer little in terms of clearing your jungle.

If you want to improve your clear speed, I would recommend trying something along the following lines:

  • Quints: AP
  • Marks: Attack Speed
  • Seals: Scaling Health or Flat Armor
  • Flat/Scaling AP (or Scaling MR/CDR)

That was just trying something new. I'm generally taking AS marks/armor seals/flat CDR glyphs,/ 1 flat cdr quint and 2 armor quints. Still feels weak, especially every red after the first until i'm roughly mid-late game build. Speed is similarly poor.

Maybe this is in my head, ill give it another run or two.

EndlessSorcerer2 votes

Also, you seem to be maxing E rather than W. While this may provide stronger CC during ganks, W is your primary ability for farming and sustained damage on Sejuani.

You should be maxing W first.

Kilanost1 votes

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Also, you seem to be maxing E rather than W. While this may provide stronger CC during ganks, W is your primary ability for farming and sustained damage on Sejuani.

You should be maxing W first.

That may be a change I need to make for the new jungle. It used to be sufficient before the changes. Its going to be a bummer if thats the fix because I really like chaining those slows.

Big Lincoln2 votes

you're doing something wrong then

Sejuani is without a doubt one of the best junglers and benefit massively from the changes

khorney2 votes

ikr seeign her aoe move scales off of her max hp

Kilanost1 votes

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you're doing something wrong then

Sejuani is without a doubt one of the best junglers and benefit massively from the changes

Hey I'm open to this too. But ive tried it a few different ways and she feels weak. I fixed everyone else. Still I'm taking the suggestions here and giving it a few test runs to see if anything improves. It could just be in my head. We'll see.

Big Lincoln1 votes

iirc my rune page is 10 flat CDR, a lot of armor and 15 attack speed

10 CDR is a must in my opinion (makes your build easier) but you can consider switching 2 armor quints for some AP as well.

I can give you a better write up once I'm out of uni

Mira Arya Enthe2 votes

Clear one, barely slower than Shyvana, finished with 300HP

Clear two, pretty darn fast, finished with 500HP

Clear three, soloed dragon after this one.

Ganked 4 times as well.

She is fine.

Kilanost1 votes

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Clear one, barely slower than Shyvana, finished with 300HP

Clear two, pretty darn fast, finished with 500HP

Clear three, soloed dragon after this one.

Ganked 4 times as well.

She is fine.

Can you link your replay? I'd like to see it.

Kilanost1 votes

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Can you link your replay? I'd like to see it.

Nvm, i found the problem. Just can't max E anymore with new jungle. Went back to maxing W and easy S+.

Oglaf1 votes

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Nvm, i found the problem. Just can't max E anymore with new jungle. Went back to maxing W and easy S+.

Aye, I actually find her to be one of the few Junglers that can actually take on Raptors quite successfully (the other being Zac) in the new Jungle.

Especially if you rush item 3751 for more AoE.

Erockandroll1 votes

Double checking her Stats. I won't make promises, but you might try building a more of an AP Bruiser build. choosing Runic Echo over Cinderhulk, may give her a better clearspeed, and Burstier gank potential, at the cost of the hypertankyness you get with Cinderhulk. (Similar to what Gragas builds)

Again, no promises though.

Kilanost1 votes

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Double checking her Stats. I won't make promises, but you might try building a more of an AP Bruiser build. choosing Runic Echo over Cinderhulk, may give her a better clearspeed, and Burstier gank potential, at the cost of the hypertankyness you get with Cinderhulk. (Similar to what Gragas builds)

Again, no promises though.

I always go full tank +/- Liandrys with emphasis on health stacking.

Need Gold 4 Tent1 votes

Perhaps take her top lane? She bullies very well now with colossus, only that I haven't figured out how to play lategame with her (which always results in a loss).

Kilanost1 votes

Play an actual lane? Boring lol.

R181 votes

I'm scared to jungle with a lot of champions now, specifically Evelynn and Riven. Anyone know how their clears are now?

Kilanost1 votes

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I'm scared to jungle with a lot of champions now, specifically Evelynn and Riven. Anyone know how their clears are now?

Eh for the most part you just take your buffs and wolves and go gank with eve. You could probably just kite with q and farm most of the camps with fairly little damage though

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