Could any of these meta breaking ideas potentially work

warpenguin555··2 votes·777 views

I got pretty bored and started to think of stuff like these.

AD Azir AD Lux Fiddlesticks top Graves top Veigar top Rammus top Gnar mid Vi mid Garen mid Gangplank mid Cho'Gath mid Nocturne mid Sion mid Sivir mid Jax mid Vayne jungle Trundle Support Jinx Support

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Dreddeth2 votes

Gangplank is basically the Generalist Dude, kinda like Kayle, but different. Midplank is probably the least exotic thing I've heard someone build him as.

Garen actually can do Support, he's just not particularly good at it, being one of the most kite-able melee champs out there, and being more gold-hungry than your typical support.

Actually, I'm going to go and test that last one again. The last time I did that, it was really just ordinary Garen and ordinary Wukong going Duo Bot. I'll be back tomorrow.

Dreddeth2 votes

It did not work. It did not work.

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Stonington2 votes

AD Azir - Bad idea. AD Lux - Seen it, it's not good. Fiddlesticks top - Not good. Graves top - Done it before, it can work. Veigar top - It could probably work. Rammus top - It works. Gnar mid - Not good, he'll be outranged and destroyed. Vi mid - Will probably get out harassed and go oom easily. It can work if the enemy has shit waveclear and she can roam. Garen mid - I don't see why. Gangplank mid - Seen it, it's not bad. Cho'Gath mid - This is a serious thing. It's just like Cho top. Nocturne mid - So bad. Sion mid - He could probably do it. Sivir mid - Not a good idea. Jax mid - Probably won't work. Vayne jungle - What? Trundle Support - It's not the best, but it's ok. Jinx Support - No.

WarlockLaw2 votes

The one time I saw nocturne mid I destroyed him in lane...he then proceeded to take the first tower of the game when I roamed and split pushed his way to victory. I'm not even sure if he ever got a kill

supes the lost1 votes

In no particular order, what I know about champions in these lane:

Sivir mid pretty good, but it is best if you end up fighting a mage or AP assassin, as she can use her spell shield to nullify enemy damage Vi mid is pretty good too, you'll intiate a lot of trades by q'ing in and following up with a w, then walking out with your passive shield to partially ignore the return trade damage Fiddlesticks and Veigar top would probably require more tanky builds, which would still be fine with Veigar's AP stacking mechanic, and Fiddlesticks's exceptional base AP and AP scallings AP Sion mid is pretty brutal with the poke it offers, plus you still get the benefit of the shield and the cc from the rest of the kit, would recommend more of an AP bruiser build though Garen mid (and Gnar mid for similar reasons) works really well since Garen can be the normal lane bully he is and force out the enemy laner with his natural tankyness (may want to add extra magic resist to your runes if against mages) and the fact that he is manaless Jax mid might work, no clue, I haven't seen him outside of the jungle for a couple patches.

The Chin1 votes

fun fact, you can build any champ AD and it'll be good. Unfortunately you can't build every champ AP.

Mathbalnase3 votes

AD Karthus is shit.

The Chin1 votes

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AD Karthus is shit.

triforce AD bruiser, done.

The Chin1 votes

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Mathbalnase1 votes

There are only 16 champions with a worse baseAD than Karthus. Triforce relies on baseAD. Triforce bruiser Karthus is shit.

His attack range is shit. His attack speed is shit. His attack animation is worse than shit.

What does he have going for him if he doesn't build AD? A slow? AD Karthus is shit.

The Chin1 votes

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There are only 16 champions with a worse baseAD than Karthus. Triforce relies on baseAD. Triforce bruiser Karthus is shit.

His attack range is shit. His attack speed is shit. His attack animation is worse than shit.

What does he have going for him if he doesn't build AD? A slow? AD Karthus is shit.

It'd be fine.

It's more about the sheen and phage procs from your AA's and being tanky rather than ability scaling.

Mathbalnase1 votes

See above re: your AA's suck. You have shit sticking potential, shit peel, shit engage, shit damage, and shit mobility.

AD Karthus is shit.

The Chin1 votes

lol I still think it'd be fine. Gun to your head you had to play it, you could make it work.

IcyPepper1 votes

it'll be good late game, though, for objective control. It also depends on aa range and defensive utility. Leblanc could pull it off, but Annie would have a difficult time.

The Chin1 votes

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it'll be good late game, though, for objective control. It also depends on aa range and defensive utility. Leblanc could pull it off, but Annie would have a difficult time.

crit annie is decent, IE shiv.

IcyPepper1 votes

She has decent utility, but no mobility and her aa range isn't amazing. She would be difficult, but she would be decent. Like an Ashe with less range but her ultimate as a passive.

COWmanLord1 votes

Annie has an aa range of 625. That is actually significantly longer than most adcs. The only ones with longer aa range are Cait with 650 and end game tristana who caps out at 669. Jinx has longer range while using fishbones, Twitch has longer range while using his ult, and kog maw has longer range with his ww, but in terms of Base auto attack range without any modifiers annie has the 2nd highest in the game.

IcyPepper1 votes

Well then I was severely misinformed and should have doublechecked.

If her base attack speed is on par, then maybe she could be played as an adc in normals. Tibbers is definitely great for tanking turrets if need be.

COWmanLord1 votes

That is actually her weakness as an adc. Her base attack speed is the lowest in the game.

IcyPepper1 votes

Ah, that explains why I got her stats wrong, I might have confused her aa range for as... for some reason. I didn't have the numbers memorized >.<

Why not build item 3153 and item 3046 to compensate? D: The stun might be worth it.

Or maybe just build her AP and get a lichbane. Lichbane really hurts...

The Chin1 votes

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She has decent utility, but no mobility and her aa range isn't amazing. She would be difficult, but she would be decent. Like an Ashe with less range but her ultimate as a passive.

annie has 625 AA range, for comparison ashe has 600 cait has 650

FHMarshy1 votes

I've actually played alotta Rammus top :P especially against champions that relies on auto attack :P (Tryn and Nasus)

Terff1 votes

Well graves could always function decently up at top, and I've played Gangplank AP mid, and I've had my ass kicked by a nocturne mid and did decently against a veigar top.

Slamurai Jack1 votes

I can tell you that Vi Mid most certainly works, having played it myself. Her wave clear is strong, her roaming is excellent, and she really benefits from the extra gold and exp that a solo lane provides. And her matchups are, for the most part, quite favorable. She has the power to smash mid lane assassins and the tools to kill mid lane mages as well. Her Q functions as a decent escape, and she has enormous snowball potential, easily as much as the other AD assassins. Her only real weaknesses as a mid laner are that she's quite mana hungry if you use your spells too much, which can be an issue, and she is also a bit snowball reliant, just like the other AD mids.

IGotScuttleCrabs1 votes

Rammus top works well vs heavy AA champs. Side note, build an item 3001 You get decent MR, you're ult will demolish towers, and it increases the effectiveness of item 3068 item 3075

Mid Cho is a normal off meta champ and something I play often. Can build tank, ap bruiser, or full ap and do well. Also a great counter to assassins.

COWmanLord1 votes

I won a ranked game with Garen adc yesterday so anything has a chance of working. Except for ad azir. That doesn't even look good on paper. Ad lux would probably fail for similar reasons.

Gunpoint1 votes

Cho'Gath mid, Rammus top, and Graves top are already a thing. Gnar mid is really good from personal experience.

Bodkins Odds1 votes

Gangplank mid definitely works, so can Cho mid.

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