When people are Actually inting, I want my fucking lp back

Hammermancer··1 votes·545 views

Jesus what the fuck

Just spent 30 minutes or so trying to hold off in a 4v6 because the support couldn't deal with the fact that he lost lane, decided to tell jungle what was what and then went "afk" for like 4 minutes, then started walking into the enemy team inting

The dude was 0/5 in lane, my jungler was like.. 8/2 at the time and helped me secure first tower

this fucking blitzcrank straight up threw the game because he couldn't deal with the laning phase and there wasn't really anything we were able to pull off for that matchup.

But we actually almost did it despite the little fucker, we almost made that final push

these fucking types of people, they throw a game and they don't give a living shit about the repercussions, but they strip their entire fucking teams of one to two hours of effort because they intentionally invalidate one won match by intentionally losing the current one... or they force demotions, ruin promos

these people are fucking scum and what do they usually get? A chat restriction?

meanwhile you guys will give an instant 14 day ban to someone calling an item interaction 'gay'

fuck this shit riot

get these fuckwits out of my game

I don't mean people who suck, dude i suck, I mean people who are malicious.

You worry about people being all fucking PC and shit and you don't seem to give two shits about actually malicious asshole who go out of their way to sabotage your fun, because its apparently worse to be ignorant than actively and intentionally obtrusive and demeaning

It's bullshit, the absolute worst case for this guy is he gets a 14 day ban

at which point he swaps to his fucking alt or goes and buys a new account

and he does it again, tyler1 status

how does that encourage people getting reformed again? because the punishment is fucking nil, If you lose your primary account once and forever, you're just gonna not give two fucks.

I Don't care how you do it, privately tie this shit to a phone number(please no), attach this shit to our facebooks (double please no), or just implement the concept of troll island that actually fucking works in dota. hell separate them by the offense so the inters are with inters and the ragers and flamers are with eachother.

Jesus christ to have to try to sit in a game and calm down someone like that when they just don't care, they see only the one person they're fucking mad at and the other three people on the team, or the five people on the enemy team that want a good match, don't fucking matter in their little minds

its enraging

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Ixoziel2 votes

Troll island doesn't "work" in DotA, their system is awful. You get punishments strictly based on how many times you get reported. If you do something off-meta a ton of nerds will report you and you will get low priority regardless of whether you're guilty or not. You're forced to win x amounts of games in one game mode just to get out.

The thing is that it's much easier to punish un-PC behavior because all you need is the chat logs. It's harder to prove that someone is inting. Even if someone has a terrible score they might just be playing poorly or they might be splitpushing all game and taking towers (Udyr, Singed). Personally I don't care what people call each other. The biggest problem is the passive aggressive assholes who insult the people who aren't doing well (likely when they're getting camped) who then in turn int. I've rarely seen people int without some douche insulting them first.

Azadethe2 votes

I'd like to refute your opinion on int feeding. It actually is pretty easy to track in many cases. in Int feeding games, decision bases are tracked and a well written report is taken into account.

I've had a few of those insanely bad games in the last couple days..... some 0/11/9 or 3/14/6.... But it wasn't me who started the snowball (teammates feeding a Khazix 8/0 by level 6....., Udyr 8/0 by level 6..... Teemo adc and int feeding Kayn setting off a Jinx get excited every single time they get to bot lane..... leaving me as a casualty of THEIR behavior.....)

But I can guarantee that Riot would look at those games and see I wasn't inting; I was getting 1 shot or trapped simply for supporting a horribly trolling team (Khazix can legitimately 1 shot a Nami the entire game when a team feeds him 8/0 by level 6.... You can go Armor and he'll still 1 shot you, because he's just overtuned).

I'm going to add a response I used in a different thread to the subject of toxicity.


I know how you feel, but the vast majority of this community has been banned by now, Even people who historically are Plat/Gold (which means that either their toxicity doesn't affect their games, [more likely] that the autofeedback system flags people overzealously and punishes people who behave generally "okay" but sometimes are caught telling their team what they did wrong, how to fix it, and are perceived as "toxic" simply because people who play poorly don't ever want to accept blame.

I've been Perma banned 4 times. I never once even got a chat ban (first tier) when the Tribunal was in place. I'm a coach. I want to win. If I see people building poorly, or feeding someone who should never be fed (like Tristana), I tell them to scale it down and play defensively. I don't cuss, and I generally don't get into long arguments.

What I do: I am someone who often uses the evil words, "You did." If you want to trigger someone, there's nothing more effective than using the words "You did," and I know this because I use it with my wife. People never want to be told what they do wrong, especially in an accusatory terminology.

For example, I can tell a team, level 1:

Guys you need to get Grievous wounds, because they have 4 healers/sustainers, and you need to get it early.

Team by level ~ 7-8 has fed 22/2, and shows 0 signs of building a or even a

They start raging at each other, while I'm generally quiet.

And then I interject in an attempt to diffuse the situation. I tell them:

"You ignored me when I said to get grievous wounds early. Stop going out solo and farm. You're feeding like nubs."

Now..... I know "nubs" is a touchword that people cling onto for "toxicity." But it sure gives more emphasis than saying : "You're feeding hard."

And it's generally the "You" that gets me in trouble.

Because I said something at level 1, when people play poorly, their full team response is to tell people to "report me because I gave up at level 1." Nothing could be further from the truth. I never surrender, and I never give up. I've brought back 3/46 games personally a few times. But that's not the way Riot's autofeedback reads the reports and chat logs. If they see a system of the same accusations and directions in multiple games, that's you bring toxic.

Again, I was NEVER banned under the Tribunal. I never even got a tier 1 punishment.

However:

Account 1 was lost 9 months after I got Victorious Morgana. It had over 150 skins, including Ult Udyr and Sona. Account 2 was lost ONE MONTH after I got Victorious Sivir. Account 3 was lost 5 months after I got Victorious Maoki. Account 4 was lost 1 month after the Season 7 end, after existing 3 months (for a little easter egg; That's this one)

All the accounts had ult skins. All had Victorious skins (meaning in good standing). All had sizeable fortunes in skin purchases, all had thousand + games per season (I was playing about 12-14 games a day)

And that's kind of what perma ban has become in League in the perception of the vast majority which particularly play ranked, and have at least one ban has become: It's perceived as a system to abuse the addictions of skin collectors to support sales. It's not about banning bad behavior, although that's in there. It's about attempting to automate a system which implies everyone is normal, and everyone is addicted, and everyone has social skills.

Yet there's some other very real truths about League:

  1. League was designed/marketed for intelligent players, not just "any" players. That's why it became sponsored as a college sport: Its reliance on calculations, geometry, spacial awareness, etc.

Yet..... the vast majority of intelligent people are nonsocial, have abnormal social patterns, or have biological deficiencies that prevent them from learning those capabilities. For example, given the type of autism my son has, it's quite likely that I myself have some form of Ausberger's. I see a lot of my own behaviors developing in him, and I'm not consciously teaching them. His method of learning is very similar, and his inability to look people in the eyes. His tendency to repeat sounds, or only focus on one thing and be overwhelmed by minor sensory things around him.

Growing up, I was tested and generally considered to be in the 92nd percentile of all intelligence. But you know what? I'm not a productive member of society. I'm a professional student, and I absolutely sound like a teacher in all facets of my life. But you know what? People don't like to be talked to like a student, from people they don't consider teachers, who are not in that job. They either discredit the conversation as coming from a "know it all" or "you don't know what you're talking about" or "I've heard it all before."

And you know what? That's not likely to ever change.

People have social irregularities. Especially League players. We can't just flip a switch and turn off certain things. But Riot doesn't take that into account.

Ixoziel1 votes

While I agree and can identify with many of the things you said (as an extremely unsocial introvert), I fail to see how your examples refute my points on int feeding. If anything, your examples strengthen my point. It's very difficult to PROVE that someone is int feeding in the majority of cases. Often, they will say absolutely nothing. Other times, people say they are going to feed but cool down before they ever manage to. Like you said, score alone can't prove it either.

I personally have never been banned myself, although I was sometimes banned in HoN / DotA 2 when I played them. The most I have gotten are chat restrictions even though I have probably have over a thousand dollars of value on this account. Still, I'm more keen on the idea of positive reinforcement rather than punishment (bans). I think the honor system is a step in the right direction.

Azadethe1 votes

I'm pretty sure Riot's system does have a methodology to find int feeders, because I've had some games where that's the only thing I reported, and the people were disciplined and I got a notice. For those who are difficult to track: I bet they keep track of flagged reports per account, and when they meet some threshhold of games where it occurred, they look into it. It might not get a ban on your game, or it might. I just know it has happened, and not always on scores like 0/18. Sometimes on Scores like 10/20/8 where they just ran in and yolo'd the entire game 1v5, with a champ that can pick up kills.'

Honor system is iffy. It's nice while it's rewarding. It's a curse after a punishment. My current account got its first chat ban 2 months ago, and I'm still locked as "level 1 dishonorable." Not level 0 yet, but sure not going up or unlocking. So no good performance gets rewarded. No login goodies (like hextech key shards are worth so much >.>). You get a chat ban once, and your season's honor is over. At that point, it's just another reason to believe Riot doesn't understand or know its player base. Locking out honor for 3+ months per tier is insane. Cleansing a punishment tier in 3 months of 0 reports is also insane. The system is designed to keep players angry after that first ban, and expedite their exit.

In addition, when you get out of a ban tier, Rank placing puts you in a low priority Queue, where all the players you are allotted with on teams who are all also low priority players, who usually all are toxic, all have bad skill for the tier they are in, which exacerbate the situation that got you banned to begin with. The Maoki account literally got banned 3 GAMES after my Tier 3 punishment was over, because I got three games in a row with low Priority Queue where the players were toxic int feeders right out of the gate (i mean true int feeders, down middle with mobis,ghost, etc).

I mean..... I could have ignored it..... but I certainly didn't feel like Riot was going to ban me 1 1/2 hours later and I implore ANYONE not to get mad at trolls like that right after they took a 2 week vacation and that's what you get right out of the gate. It was also late season, and I was trying to go up a tier to gain rewards. Every loss hurts a lot more when you're doing that.

Hammermancer1 votes

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Troll island doesn't "work" in DotA, their system is awful. You get punishments strictly based on how many times you get reported. If you do something off-meta a ton of nerds will report you and you will get low priority regardless of whether you're guilty or not. You're forced to win x amounts of games in one game mode just to get out.

The thing is that it's much easier to punish un-PC behavior because all you need is the chat logs. It's harder to prove that someone is inting. Even if someone has a terrible score they might just be playing poorly or they might be splitpushing all game and taking towers (Udyr, Singed). Personally I don't care what people call each other. The biggest problem is the passive aggressive assholes who insult the people who aren't doing well (likely when they're getting camped) who then in turn int. I've rarely seen people int without some douche insulting them first.

It's not anyone's fucking fault that someone throws a hissy fit and decides to int and ruin the game for the other 9 players other than the immature child who can't take mean words on the internet. Did none of you kids play diablo 1/2 starcraft, warcraft 2 BNE, warcraft 3, any of the games by westwood, or any old MMO?

The status quo for online gaming and messageboard communities was always that people would be somewhat rude and outspoken because most of us geeks who don't fit in, can't fit in, and don't understand what it would actually take to just "Get with the program" came to the web for sanctuary until normies showed up fucking crying about mean words and cyber bullies. Now everyone who does something you don't like is a troll, it's annoying dude. Trolling isn't just being disagreeable, it's a artform that doesn't necessarily mean anything to do with imposing negative emotions on others. Trolling could be scaring someone, but according to modern vocab from normies trolling is when you say anything that anyone disagrees with or could mildly take offense to.

Weirdos came to the internet, and founded this whole fucking place, to get the fuck away from control freak assholes who wont let us just be accidental assholes.

the fact is that this game takes the controls to a level that it doesn't need to, communities in gaming function better when the community is allowed to exist in its natural state with only the most grevious of offenses being punished.

The understanding was always just /mute or /block the offensive people

But non communication is now a way to get banned for unsportsmanlike, meanwhile people who actually int are a problem, they seriously are intentionally removing fun from the game, they are undermining the entire thing we're trying to do just to be mean. Someone being offensive isn't at fault for someone being destructive. It's the same reason why you can use any word you want and be legally safe from someone attacking you physically, assuming you made no threats.

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Yet..... the vast majority of intelligent people are nonsocial, have abnormal social patterns, or have biological deficiencies that prevent them from learning those capabilities. For example, given the type of autism my son has, it's quite likely that I myself have some form of Ausberger's. I see a lot of my own behaviors developing in him, and I'm not consciously teaching them. His method of learning is very similar, and his inability to look people in the eyes. His tendency to repeat sounds, or only focus on one thing and be overwhelmed by minor sensory things around him.

Hey that's my issue

I got banned because a third party didn't like my banter with my lane opponent

I've had multiple suspensions and not one of them was me intending on being mad, incendiary, or toxic, but PC police don't like my words so fuck it.

They say "Think about how others feel"

The issue is, you don't know how others feels and quite frankly it's not my responsibility to not be offensive, because no matter what you do, no matter what you say, someone somewhere will take offense.

The fact that Riot is actively hitting people in the wallet is unethical honestly, it amounts to censorship which given the size of the platform and the location of the servers in NA is arguably liable for civil suit if any of us defunct nerds ever wanted to take the time to go for it.

The real question i have is whether or not its effective, and the answer is pretty apparent

just lost a game because someone was literally inting

Ixoziel1 votes

As I said already, I don't care what people call each other. I'm simply explaining to you WHY most people int. It's akin to walking up to a stranger and insulting them IRL. Most will walk away or laugh, some will punch you in the face. That's what I'm talking about. Since you can't punch someone in the face for talking shit, people resort to the next best thing: ruining their games. You can't just look at the inting, you have to look at the reason they're doing it. It's like the difference between assault and aggravated assault.

The thing you have to realize is it's not the insult in a vacuum that causes this behavior: it's compounded by the frustration that they're already experiencing in the game. Let's say you're top and you're getting camped extremely hard to the point where the enemy top / jungler / mid are tower diving you. Your own team is doing absolutely nothing. They're not ganking, they're not getting dragon and somehow they still have less cs than the enemies who are camping you. Next your jungler decides to open his mouth and whine about you being 0/5. THAT is what sets people off.

At some point you have to realize that people aren't perfect and if provoked, they will react. You can't claim total innocence when they do decide to react. In an ideal world people would keep playing regardless of what you say to them. But you could also argue that in an ideal world, you wouldn't call them those things in the first place.

Azadethe1 votes

As he's saying (not saying he's entirely correct) is that you can breathe and it will offend these players. 99% of Riot's players are not accountable for their own actions, and don't like to hear it, but at the same time, sure as hell like to blame people who had nothing to do with the deficit in a game.

It's gotten to a point that saying " GG " is provocation. You don't even have to explain why it's " GG "..... you can go 20/1/20, and these players will claim you "gave up" because you said " GG " or claim you're toxic after you say one thing. We're dealing with VERY different teens from when we grew up: no accountability, parents who never even tried to teach them that, worked all day, played all night, ignored them. They're raised with no social skills except those they gained from peers..... which most aren't any better off.

I love some aspects of the above mentioned upbringing..... independent thinking, creative catalysts, and more high minded conversations. But..... the rest....

It's easy to say segway to a conversation about innocence or guilt, but .... I think it's far more appropriate to say..... NO ONE is guilty or innocent. We're individuals, and not being treated like it. We're being treated like livestock who is expected to stay in line, but be a source of revenue.

I'm a fan of manners and courtesy. But I'm not someone so ignorant as to think.... such a thing exists in any absolute manner among anyone. Especially to the point where they can play 200-300 games and not have enough flagged for a ban in 3 months.

ScorpionBlet1 votes

Im bonze 2,carrying games out and get out of that hell. In my recent match a fiddlestick and ashe lost their lane, fiddle was already 1/7 flaming our fucking team. Then he goes afk for like 5-10min and he comes back, doesnt say any fucking thing and goes on the enemy team turrets, at the end of the game he was 1/20 and we lost the game.Really riot when you see a motherfucker that's inting and the team lost cuz of him you should give the fucking lp back to everyone on the team.

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