So, can Mordekaiser get a small buff to his base stats?

Malicious Metal··81 votes·4,534 views

It's no secret that Mordekaiser's the one Juggernaut with the most pitiful base stats, having a whopping 1765 BASE HP at level 18. In perspective; Darius +517 Garen +290 Yorick +515 Nasus +326 Illaoi +436

All his Juggernaut brethren have about 300 MORE hp than him while having greater Armor/MR scalings MORE MS, usually being around 340 (15 More than Morde) and having inbuilt CC

Bonus round: Sona +30 MORE HP than Morde Aatrox +217

Mordekaiser's base stats are laughable, they're more fitted for a squishy RANGED character than a Melee Bruiser. Heck, even Graves's stats are more in line with a Bruiser than Morde's, seeing that the guy's got 200 More hp as well as having a dash, Resitance buff and range

Now, I'm not asking for Darius/Yorick levels of Bulk but a bit more wouldn't hurt, especially seeing that he already has some of the lowest resistances as well. And 325 MS makes him highly susceptible to getting ganked.

The worst thing is getting back to lane with a giants belt and seeing the enemy still have more health despite them having invested their gold into OFFENSE.

I currently run Strength of the Ages to counteract that problem by allowing me to actually invest into OFFENSE in the mid game without getting completely destroyed due to the lack of defense. Hell, I build item 3146 AFTER item 3116 item 3053 Those are TWO HP items that provide 800 HP and I still only barely get close to other champions who built similar items.

So, how about we give good ol' Morde a bit more in terms of defensive stats in a Meta where damage's over the roof. I'm not asking about 340 MS and 2300 base hp, I know Morde's weakness has to be getting kited due to his damage being bound to a three hit AA but please, beef the guy up a bit.

I suggest giving him 20 more HP at level 1 (that's like casting ONE ability anyways) 525->545 As well as beefing up his HP/level to actually let him scale into mid and late game 73->82

This would put him at about 1939 base hp, still lower than most Juggernauts and melee bruisers but enough for him to actually feel tanky enough to invest into a bit more offense early on and have a healthier scaling throughout the game.

That's all I ask for, a bit more HP I'm totally fine with being literally the SLOWEST champion in the game or having one of the lowest base Armor, despite being a SODDING SUIT OF ARMOR, let that sink in^^

So, can we get a bit of love for Mordekaiser in the preseason seeing that he's a great ANTI assassin, one you can even take Mid!

-MM

Edit: A lot of people are bringing up Morde's shield as a reason for him having low base hp. He also has some of the lowest resistances, making him extremely prone to getting bullied. But this is not the main argument; If you compare him to Illaoi or Darius who not only have extremely high base stats but also get a % max HP heal, a static amount, not being reduced by MR and dependent on Damage output like Morde's shield.

And just a sidenote; I use Strength of the Ages on Morde to counteract his abysmally low HP pool and give me a decent Mid game tankiness spike, one the other Juggernauts get naturally. Now it getting removed severely impacts my mid game and I will most likely no longer be able to build a item 3146 without being too squishy to actually make use of the damage.

So yeah, losing a free 300 HP for a potentially 190 more by level 18 doesn't sound too bad now, does it?

For those outraged that his shield would be too strong. It's only 45 stronger IF he'd get a bit more hp Seriously, that's a minion's AA

147 Comments

MorgManBasher8 votes

Would love to see slight love taps for him, nothing crazy. Either a slight buff to HP and HP scaling or a slight movement speed buff.

Is that shtty rylais change still going through? If so he's going to be garbage anyway, sadly. He's my favorite top laner atm. Usually rush item 3116 and item 3512 ....zzrot first if I am being camped hard by the jungler and need to farm or just have a hard lane or screwed up.

LatetotheRace6 votes

"Can morde get more health please?" -Riot; Nope, he's a marksman now. "Movement speed?" -Riot; Again, no, he's a marksman now. "Armor and ma..." -Riot; The hell did I just say?

It's one of those times where riot's just doubling down on their stupid decisions. (Aye malicious, if it were possible and riot was willing. Would you want a morde rework or a unrework?)

Dracocrash5 votes

sorry but mordekaiser has low HP because of his sheild, that already adds significant bulk to him.

If he needs buffs he needs other tools removed from his kit (like the bonus shared exp mechanic on W)

Unfortunately riot will never remove it.. so theres that.. They have to be carefull about buffing him because remember when he was pick or ban in pro play for a bit?

Malicious Metal21 votes

Thing with the shield is that it scales with damage dealt while Darius and Illaoi already get their defensive tools just by hitting their spells, no mitigation needed.

And bot lane Mordekaiser flopped, Riot even apologized on stream and he's played mostly top, jungle and mid now. Removing the XP passive and giving him more bulk would please most Mordekaiser players-

GayFluffyUnicorn2 votes

How did it flop? It was the most broken thing ever during that time which thank the gods didn't last long enough.

Ralanr11 votes

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How did it flop? It was the most broken thing ever during that time which thank the gods didn't last long enough.

That's why it flopped. It proved to be too strong and balancing him there made his other lanes non existent. Mordekaiser mains didn't want to be forced bot.

YoungFarmer4 votes

I find it funny how they are all arguing with a diamond mord main lol.

Malicious Metal12 votes

Their arguments have merits to them. Hell, I might just be "biased" and a sign of a healthy human mind is to question everything^^

Besides, I like talking about Morde

YoungFarmer3 votes

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Their arguments have merits to them. Hell, I might just be "biased" and a sign of a healthy human mind is to question everything^^

Besides, I like talking about Morde

I personally find mords early game easy to deal with, his late game is quite powerful and I often find myself getting steam rolled by him when we reach that time. This may be because he has a very strong late game or because I honestly have no clue how to play against him lol. I do believe he needs buffs though haha

Mira Arya Enthe4 votes

Rank calling is unnecessary. It's a sign if lacking the will or ability to argue. It's like when a child has a strong argument and the father says "I'm dad. You are wrong."

On the same note I do feel MM is right on this. Very much so.

Akali is SO HOT2 votes

At least people are making actual arguments. I just get "you're wrong because you're an Akali main."

HazyCloud74 votes

This board has turned into the "Mordekaiser support group" recently. With all of the upcoming changes to the game, it makes a lot more sense imo to wait and and re-assess during the pre-season and then buff him if necessary.

Ben Sharpio3 votes

Morde isnt slow and if you really think he is take ghost like everyone else who plays immobile champs

Riot will never give this champ slows in his kit

Riot will never give this champ more HP because his shield exists

Riot will give this champ nothing but small "lovetaps" 'cause his kit is toxic AF

Maximum Morde35 votes

325 is the slowest standard run speed in the game. Yes he is slow. The only thing slower is a dismounted Kled, but that isn't his normal state.

Ben Sharpio1 votes

movement speed quints? boots of swiftness w/ghost? Wtf? How about people start making sacrifices for their playstyle? I know flash is cool and all, but movement speed is a problem (apparently) and you're living in an era where you can get 30 percent CDR on a summoner spell that increases your movement speed. How about instead of taking flash, you take ghost because youll realize that it isnt a significant summoner spell on many champions

Malicious Metal36 votes

By definition he's slow

That's like saying Jhin isn't squishy because you can build 6 warmogs on him

Malicious Metal5 votes

As long as you don't take it into ranked^^

Malicious Metal7 votes

Post me a screenshot of that game, I'll need it for...research purposes

Laughing Fish3 votes

I will do that when I get home. At this point i have given up the path to gold this season anyway lol

Malicious Metal2 votes

You still got two more weeks! Hell, I'm aiming for Diamond 3 since they still have those damn division markers and the border looks way better at 3 :/

Laughing Fish2 votes

Meh, I am kind of burned out on league in general. I mostly only play if friends I like are on, so mostly normal and ARAM. It doesn't seem worth it to deal with all the shitheads in ranked just to get a maokai skin.

Laughing Fish4 votes

He is all bark, no bite.

Malicious Metal6 votes

Maokai What did you say you son of a Birch?!

Laughing Fish7 votes

I never grow tired of misTREEting him. He is the root of my discouragement in the road to gold.*

*that and the bastards that call themselves allies but die 20 times then go afk

Adriqnohee3 votes

You have some very weird fetishes.

Laughing Fish2 votes

But really, don't we all?

Ralanr2 votes

...maybe...

Stars Shaper2 votes

Thank you guys for making my day xD

Maximum Morde10 votes

There are plenty of ways around it definitely. Was just correcting your error in saying he wasn't slow, when he is among the slowest group of Champions in the game.

MorgManBasher11 votes

Are people actually taking this guy serious? Lmao. Most good morde players run flash and ghost on Morde, but it doesn't matter what you run we are talking about his base stats compared to other champions. All champions have these item and summoner choices.

Your thought process is so flawed it hurts.

Malicious Metal18 votes

325 MS ->Isn't slow

What are you smoking?

Ben Sharpio1 votes

IDC what you say about morde being slow riot has given you plenty of resources to make up for it. 3 masteries that increase your movement speed, the one that helps you when youre out of combat, and one that increases your movement speed through brushes and river, and like i said, you have the mastery/boots that reduces the cooldown on summoner spells like ghost, you have movement speed quints, righteous glory, zz rot ect.

Slythion12 votes

so your solution is to lose out on a bunch of better stats to cover for his current weakness that is overbearing as it is...ok

you understand that Morde is at an inherent disadvantage because of his base stats already, before he can buy items. Your solutions would be to sacrifice most of his damaging items along with taking masteries that don't synergize as well with him compared to others. And all of these can be countered by the opponent doing the exact same thing.

Basically your saying: "oh, this tank has to low base ad, even for a tank? Just have him build a BT and IE, who cares if he needs other stats to function? Don't forget to put points in the left tree as well! He doesn't need tanky masteries to perform well in his role either"

Puppet33r3 votes

Just build item 3152 instead of item 3146 . You can finish it faster. It actually gives hp AND it gives him some mobiliy(and applies rylai slow for easier chases). item 3146 is just a trap item. It feels like it will fit him like a glove but in truth rocketbelt is just way better.

Here's my build: item 3006 item 3152 item 3116 . After that either item 3135 item 3285 item 3151 or item 3068 item 3026 item 3065 item 3512 depending on your needs. Also I usually go 18/0/12 with deathfire touch and shield increasing mastery.

Malicious Metal4 votes

You're really calling Gunblade, one of the strongest damage options for Morde a trap item?

The problem with Protobelt is that it's not as slot efficient as Gunblade, who also provides a slow, burst, sustained damage and healing, which is even further increased once I get item 3065

Trust me, I didn't get Diamond by sucking at Mordekaiser

Puppet33r4 votes

Well, you have to choose between slot efficiency and early power. Also you know who else would find this item slot efficient? Malzahar Shyvana Kennen. And yet none of them go for it in serious games. Because they simply can't get it fast enough and their power spikes much harder with other, much cheaper, items. The only guys who can use it really efficiently and can get away with rushing it are Evelynn and Akali because both of them can get on top of you really fast avoiding harass and cc.

Also please don't shove your rank as an argument, it's just sad especially since you only hit diamond during this clusterfuk of a season and your previous seasons are less then stellar. I've been playing since season 2. I've mained a good 75% of champion roster at different points in time. I had gold in season 2 and since then I was always in platinum occasionally going into diamond and dropping out of it soon after, because I find the idea of maining some champion/role boring. So I always switch my role/mains to keep it fresh. And if you think that your current diamond rank somehow makes my arguments invalid, you are really high.

Anyway, long story short, how about you don't complain about the lack of health on your champion when you are going yolo early build on a fully melee champion with no way of closing distance? And good luck with that lifesteal build against poke/ranged composition that will just kite you and destroy you before you get close enough to do anything.

Malicious Metal4 votes

Yolo? I go Rylais and Steraks as my first two items buddy. It even gives 100 more hp than a Rylais+Protobelt

And I'm tempted to say I'm way more experienced in playing Mordekaiser than you are. The guy's got a ton of different builds but I personally prefer my own and a lot of Mordekaiser mains would agree with me. I got almost 700k mastery points with him so I won't let you belittle my opinion. Because in the end both of our statements are just that; Opinions.

HideOnUrMomsBush3 votes

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And I'm tempted to say I'm way more experienced in playing Mordekaiser than you are. The guy's got a ton of different builds but I personally prefer my own and a lot of Mordekaiser mains would agree with me. I got almost 700k mastery points with him so I won't let you belittle my opinion.

http://www.op.gg/summoner/userName=phasedkiller

How about taking the best Mord main's opinion into account though? Seems to definitely like protobelt and has used it extensively once people realized how good protobelt was on many different AP champions. CDR, HP, AP, Gap closer are definitely not bad things to have on Mord.

Btw Stormraiders > Strength of the Ages, no question there.

Slythion1 votes

All of his games in his immediate match history shows that he builds Gunblade...

Now I love MM simply because he's so active on the boards and passionate (and I agree with a lot of his opinions), but even besides that point I'm defending him simply because your evidence doesn't prove your claim

The facts:

Out of the last 17 of his Mordekaiser games, he built protobelt 6 times compared to the 7 times that he built gunblade (or started building it). Now while that may seem even on paper, taking a closer look you'll notice that all 6 of those protobelts where built on the same day. It becomes obvious that he was using the build experimentally.

The following 19 Mordekaiser games that took place before those first 17 show similar results where protobelt and gunblade are built nearly the same amount of times.

So...how does that link support your argument that protobelt > gunblade?

Netherlife3 votes

So, MM.
Could you give me a rundown on your mordekaiser runes, masteries, and build path/skill max?

Malicious Metal2 votes

Runes are very flexible but I tend to run: -MS Quints -Mpen reds -5 Armor seals -4 scaling hp seals -AP/level glyphs

At the moment I run 12/0/18 with SoTA though that is definitely going to change in preseason

Build path is something like that item 3116 item 3053 item 3146 item 3065 item 3742

Max order's W->Q->E

Those are the basics^^

Dextix LT2 votes

Yo, i started playing morde a bit too, is trinity a worthy item on him? I usually buy it, but is it actually a bad item?

PC Trash Go Away3 votes

He's already gonna be favored by those new items you were hyped up about earlier, asking for a stat buff with those in mind is just pushing it.

Malicious Metal3 votes

Erm, those items are support-y tank items, not really helping him do Juggernaut things.

It may help bot lane Mordekaiser indirectly but every bot lane carry will be helped by those.

They're even removing one of his favorite keystones and replacing it with one he cannot use-

PC Trash Go Away4 votes

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They're even removing one of his favorite keystones and replacing it with one he cannot use-

...Oh yeah, that is happening. the sound of dots connecting echoes off in the distance

OHminus1 votes

Proposal: Hp increased a bit, base armor increased a lot, base ms increased but decreases with bonus armor.

It makes sense thematically

Netherlife4 votes

buys ninja tabi ... "Shit."

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