Champion Size reduce Knock Backs and Knock Ups

Talamare·Dec 13, 2014·2 votes·693 views

Introducing Size Categories for Champion!

There will now be 5 Sizes for Champions depending on their role and tankiness etc Small champions will be Size 1, the smallest Big champions such as Sion and Nautilus will be Size 4 Size 5 will be the largest and it is reached by using a Size increase on a Size 4 champion (or max stack Cho). [Note Size 5 is the cap, so if you use multiple Size increases on a Size 5 champion, no additional reduction will be applied, but they will still get larger]

Each the bigger your Size the more reduced Knock ups and Knock Backs are

Now, I am thinking somewhere between 5% to 10%, starting at no reduction for Size 1 champions.

Provide feedback if this is an interesting idea concept, I could probably develop it more with comments and helpful suggestions. (and maybe categorize the champions)

11 Comments

4nth0l0gyDec 13, 20142 votes

I think that, while an interesting idea, it creates too many new balance problems for Riot. What's to say Rammus, a small armor-coated mammal, isn't as heavy as, or heavier than, Zac, a blob of squishy goo? It just has the potential to be confusing and hard to clearly represent.

Poptart EvelynnDec 13, 20141 votes

[{quoted}](name=CC Shepherd,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XR008ova,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2014-12-13T12:59:38.214+0000) I think that, while an interesting idea, it creates too many new balance problems for Riot. What's to say Rammus, a small armor-coated mammal, isn't as heavy as, or heavier than, Zac, a blob of squishy goo? It just has the potential to be confusing and hard to clearly represent.

I think their could be a small buff indicator representing this factor and would create more indepth fun things for league. Could change the wording to go from size to Champion Mass.

TalamareDec 13, 20141 votes

[{quoted}](name=CC Shepherd,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XR008ova,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2014-12-13T12:59:38.214+0000) I think that, while an interesting idea, it creates too many new balance problems for Riot. What's to say Rammus, a small armor-coated mammal, isn't as heavy as, or heavier than, Zac, a blob of squishy goo? It just has the potential to be confusing and hard to clearly represent.

Indeed, but its less about Weight and more about actual Size. So Rammus would be a Size 1 or 2.

Zac is an interesting one, because his Size changes as his health does. So he would change categories accordingly

The biggest thing that Size does in this game is a bit of a punishment without benefit

The bigger you are, the easier you are to hit with skill shots and AoEs. This is already a hidden punishment not really clearly indicated in the game

At the very least with this you might have a counter benefit (aka being less affected by knockB/U

RaptameiDec 13, 20143 votes

{quoted} The biggest thing that Size does in this game is a bit of a punishment without benefit

The bigger you are, the easier you are to hit with skill shots and AoEs. This is already a hidden punishment not really clearly indicated in the game

Max stack Cho. Park yourself on top of the adc. Now the enemy can't click the adc anymore and can't hit him with skillshots. GG.

Also: Reverse Support Hecarim

RaptameiDec 13, 20142 votes

What is the point of this aside from encouraging counterpicks over counterplay?

Slarg232Dec 13, 20142 votes

Do you realize how much work it would be to program this sort of thing?

First you have to program the size categories, then you have to dig through every champion and add them, then you have to fundamentally change Tenacity to account for the size categories, and THEN you have to make sure it's not buggy.

Doesn't sound like a lot, but it really adds up.

TalamareDec 13, 20141 votes

{quoted} Do you realize how much work it would be to program this sort of thing?

First you have to program the size categories, then you have to dig through every champion and add them, then you have to fundamentally change Tenacity to account for the size categories, and THEN you have to make sure it's not buggy.

Doesn't sound like a lot, but it really adds up.

Sounds about 2 weeks of work

I would say about 2 days of programming to get the base code made During that same time, a different person could work on properly categorizing them

and about 5 days of work to implement the code into the game into each character (Honestly like 2 days for 95% of champions and 3 days for exception champions such as Zac and Cho who are actively changing size during the game)

about like a week of testing afterwards

Oh and Tenacity doesn't affect KnockB/U, so that doesn't apply here

Poptart EvelynnDec 13, 20141 votes

That's actually a cool Idea although I would rather 3 sizes for mains. Small/normal/big. Makes things more clear and 1 would be a size that would have the be a 2 champ shrinked to 1 to sync things. Example be lulu poly into an alistar knockup to make them go higher than normal.

Lord DusteonDec 13, 20141 votes

...why though? This puts a pretty big burden of knowledge on knowing what "size" a champion is for an invisible benefit; you don't know at all of any changes, but hey, you still get out of a knockup with .1 seconds extra time!

TalamareDec 13, 20141 votes

[{quoted}](name=Lord Dusteon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XR008ova,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2014-12-13T16:14:39.027+0000) ...why though? This puts a pretty big burden of knowledge on knowing what "size" a champion is for an invisible benefit; you don't know at all of any changes, but hey, you still get out of a knockup with .1 seconds extra time!

I don't think there is much burden of knowledge, nor is it counter intuitive

Actually its quite simple and borderline almost expected, that the huge guy would't be pushed back as far as the smaller one

Lord DusteonDec 13, 20141 votes

{quoted} I don't think there is much burden of knowledge, nor is it counter intuitive

Actually its quite simple and borderline almost expected, that the huge guy would't be pushed back as far as the smaller one

It's also expected that Brand would instantly extinguish when he went in the River, or that Malphite would be immune to ignite, or that Caitlyn would fire one shot and be done, not constantly shoot people.

It's a game, and hence many "expected" things are ignored for the sake of gameplay. Making larger champions suddenly able to ignore most knockbacks/knock ups really messes with the entire game; how are Gnar or Vayne going to work well unless they know exactly how far every single size of champion is knocked back, and the exact size of all the enemy champions in that game right now?