"You have to ping when you're ganking"

Elite4Runner··2 votes·1,439 views

Do I?

Sure, I understand that it is nice to give a heads up so that the laner can attempt to conserve abilities that will help secure the kill, ..

But shouldn't the laner be expected to keep an eye on the mini-map for where the jungler is? Maybe that is just something that I do and I'm expecting too much from other players.

I mean, if I need to ping in order for you to react to me walking into your lane, ... what do you do when enemy junglers show up? I am pretty sure they are not pinging you.

I believe this is another distinction between the mindset of someone who jungles and someone who only plays in lane. As a laner, you mostly need to keep an eye on your lane. You absolutely should be aware of how your other laners are doing, but for the most part, you aren't responsible for covering their flanks. You do however need to be aware of what is surrounding your lane, and the location of your jungler should be included in that. If they are nearby, they may be preparing to gank, so you should be prepared to receive a gank. Or, they may be nearby to farm, and if when they are done farming a camp, they see that your lane is a good opportunity to gank, they may follow up. So you should do your best when they are nearby to make your lane seem like an ideal place for them to come to, but to do that, you need to be paying attention.

From the jungler's perspective though, .. we can't just instantly show up to a lane as soon as you decide it is the best time for a gank. And if we are already there, but you decide that we shouldn't gank, we are wasting important time and pressure. We have the whole map to pay attention to, and we need to farm as well. There are so many times where I will be near a lane, and it doesn't look like a good time to gank, so I will go farm, then when I finished a camp, it suddenly looks good and I'm already there. I don't always have the time to make sure that you are prepared for me to gank first, or the opportunity will pass.

So, .. am I wrong?

17 Comments

Madsin252 votes

Yes you need to ping.

Especially if you are in bronze-silver if you don't ping on ganks you are trolling.

Ada Wong1 votes

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Yes you need to ping.

Especially if you are in bronze-silver if you don't ping on ganks you are trolling.

You know what's worse...

As a Jungler, Pinging the lane > Not using their brain thinking about the play.

. Does enemy have flash . How close is the enemy to the tower . How much HP / MP does the enemy have . Should I gank? . Enemy SKills / Ally skills / Cooldowns . Can my ally use a stun or snare . Position of enemy jungler . Can I as a jungler disable, slow, or snare the enemy?

Junglers that I see most the time don't use their brain, heck a lot of times they do enter the lane they don't do anything useful don't even hit the enemy...

And what happens then after you fail gank?

. Your ally lose XP enemy can get ahead. . Half the time these junglers stay around taking more XP and hitting CS after doing absolutely nothing. . Jungler Repats actions multiple times and makes their allies angry

I get it League OF Legends is a Team game, but if you are going to do this in game and grief lanes chances are I am just going to mute pings all together, turn off chat, and report you in the end. Because honestly it is downright upsetting, and it's all I can do not to be toxic with toxic players intentionally trolling lanes.

Muxxik2 votes

I mean look at the difference in your options:

  1. Write a 5 paragraph post on the forums explaining to people why you shouldn't need to ping, and players still won't watch the map every time
  2. Just ping, and they will know you're coming, or be much more likely to know.

Sure, people should be watching the map. But sometimes they aren't. Sometimes a series of minions in low and you're focusing on last hitting those, or your minions are low and you want to punish the enemy, or you're playing Karthus, Shen, TF, or have teleport, and are looking elsewhere outside of your lane. It's fine to say people should watch their map, I just think it's more realistic to play as if they might be doing something else.

Elite4Runner1 votes

Yeah, I understand that it is better to just ping, and that is a habit that I am working on, .. but I genuinely believe that it is an equally important habit for players to be more aware of where their jungler is.

I am trying to point out that this mentality is one sided. I need to adjust the way that I play in order to be sure that they are paying attention when they need to also be paying attention anyways. They always have vision of me on the map. It shouldn't be any surprise to them that I am nearby. If I am able to surprise them with a gank because they are paying too close of attention to their lane, .. what is going to happen when the enemy jungler shows up?

When you think of it this way, pinging is really more of a courtesy .. one that I am expected to, and I agree that I SHOULD offer, .. but if that is the case, the laner SHOULD also be expected to already know that I am nearby.

Madsin251 votes

In a perfect world you wouldn't have to ping. If you want to increase your chances of winning games you need to ping.

If you end up ganking a lane without pinging and your laner doesn't come help you, that is time wasted that you can't get back.

Otvinta1 votes

It's a forum where everyone is free to say what they want and you're saying that writing his thoughts into a constructive paragraph is not a viable option? The original is simply saying that everyone should look at their map as it gives you FREE information about your on-going game. He's not saying that he doesn't want to ping that he is ganking, he is asking a question whether he is obligated to do so. Btw no flame or anything but your entire last paragraph sums up why you've been on a decline on your ranked games.

Muxxik1 votes

I'm on a decline in my ranked games? I'm currently at just about the highest rating I've been all season; if you're going to try to score meaningless points by shaming someone about their performance at least be able to analyze the information you're looking up about someone. Also, I hardly think that criticizing someone about a ranked decline is the most appropriate thing to do for someone who is literally on a 7 game losing streak.

The OP asked the question: "Do I have to ping when I am ganking?" to which the answer is no. No one is obliged to do anything. The problem is that what you're obliged to do, and what the statistically best action is for someone to take in a certain situation, are two different things. If you think that the best thing to do is to just assume that your teammate is going to see that you're ganking every time you come in, then by all means feel free to assume that. You're not obliged to do anything. Personally, I'm going to continue to use the features in the game that are available to me to communicate with my team.

The OP also replied to this two days ago, and I completely agreed with this reply, so I'm not really sure why you came here two days late to rehash something by saying "no flame but" and then proceed to fallaciously try to flame someone.

Otvinta1 votes

You have a 49 percent win rate at gold elo criticizing others' opinion about their own thread. Are you sure you're not being a hypocrite here?

Muxxik1 votes

Yes, because there isn't anything hypocritical about offering an opinion on a post that literally asks for opinions about a topic. What is hypocritical is going off on a complete tangent about something completely unrelated, like someone's rating and their current win rate, in a lame attempt to inflate your own ego about something that has nothing to do with the post.

Like I said, I already agree with the OP's reply. You're welcome to continue spouting on about completely beside-the-point nonsense about someone's win rate in an unrelated thread while simultaneously being on a massive loss streak if that's what helps you feel decent about yourself.

Moody P2 votes

What ELO are you playing in? The lower you are the more likely it is your teammates don't grasp these concepts as well as you might. I'm in mid-high Plat as a top laner and I still tend to tunnel on my lane sometimes even after dropping 3 or 4 wards all up the river and in the jungle.

Besides, it's always a polite courtesy just to ping, so you can be 100% sure they know you're en route

Elite4Runner1 votes

I agree with that. I tried to leave this out of the post because I think it is a dumb reason to create a discussion (although it is the reason most discussions are made) but I am reflecting on a recent game that I had, and the reaction that I got for not pinging. According to them, I was apparently trolling because I didn't ping before I ganked, .. and I admittedly took it harder than I should have. They were being toxic to other players in the match as well, .. but that is not really the point.

And yeah, I am probably in a lower ELO, but this wasn't a Normals match. I don't really play Ranked. I am 8 of 10 in my placements and I have been there for probably 2 months now. I don't honestly care if I even get ranked because I don't really play to prove how good I am. I like to improve, but it doesn't matter to me if someone thinks I'm particularly good or bad. And I acknowledge that is most likely the reason I have these poor experiences. I will say that I did place in 2016 at Silver IV and didn't even try to climb. I placed as a support (so imagine how difficult that was). I'm honestly more of a jungle main now, and I do feel like I have improved in general, but my placement games so far don't look promising lol.

Quiet Dude2 votes

A ping is nice cause I'm often in the middle of my epic top lane duel to notice a jungler is coming. If you stroll up and I'm trying to farm a massive creep wave, I may ignore you for that sweet, sweet CS and gold. But if you let me know you're coming ahead of time, I'll prepare and set up for you.

Or you can show up without warning like my degenerate brother and eat all the food in my house and wonder why I left you high and dry. Pings are nice, but not mandatory, just like how me helping you gank is nice, but also not mandatory.

Elite4Runner1 votes

This is a great response!

You don't have to offer me help when I show up unannounced, sure. It is to both of our benefit for me to let you know in advanced so we can both benefit.

As I've said before, this is something that I am working on, .. and in a way, part of the benefit of this post is to help me cement the idea that I need to improve in this area.

SugeMinPikk2 votes

Laners are incredible at tunnel vision. Especially side laners. Especially under plat. You should ping at least twice within their minion wave to let them know it is they who are being pinged.

Here's a good thing to remember: if you aren't high enough to know pretty much everybody in your games, you probably aren't high enough for everybody to have some level of map awareness. They could've gotten there through mechanics alone. Hell, hashinshin has gotten master without knowing a thing about how anything other than laning phase works.

Elite4Runner1 votes

Lol fair enough.

Done251 votes

You don't have to ping, but spamming "On my way" until the ping limit is reached is a good way to grab someone's attention.

PhDs Nuts1 votes

When I jungle I always ping where I'm planning on ganking when I'm still farming a camp. I main top lane, and there are a lot of ways for a top lane to set up a gank. That can take up to 1-2 minutes beforehand with wave management, river/vision control, or playing a certain way to bait them forward when you show up.

Like, if I'm playing Jax vs Darius and I know my jungler is on the way, I'll get a decent (but not too good) trade in to weaken Darius. Darius will still always win an all-in 1v1 above 50% HP, so I go for a stronger trade, he'll commit to me first, and either have to flash or die when the jungler joins in.

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