@Meddler, context on the Shen nerfs on the PBE?

Melledoneus·Jul 13, 2016·16 votes·1,010 views

I'm wondering what you're aiming to hit with Shen. Hopefully it's not his ability to survive in lane.

19 Comments

CanastusJul 13, 20166 votes

I'm also stumped by this completely random nerf. Shen is by no means strong, he's actually on the lower end of the spectrum when it comes to top-laners. If they really think his ultimate is too problematic for competitive play, they should focus on changing that aspect of his kit instead of nerfing his already subpar sustain in lane.

The Yetii RiderJul 13, 20163 votes

You can't nerf the strengths of the champion. That removes the reason to play that champion. Instead, you focus on shaving off unintended power or creating more defined weaknesses outside of the strength.

This change is likely meant to force Shen to back more often, which makes him use Teleport to get back to lane more often, so he has it up less for fights and actually has to burn ult to help people out.

MelledoneusJul 14, 20163 votes

Shen already got his sustain removed, and he has one of the lowest scaling armor values in the game.

TheOvermindJul 14, 20162 votes

And hp And ms And ad And atk speed I'm not joking

MelledoneusJul 14, 20161 votes

His MS was buffed by 5 lol

Chaotic ReksJul 14, 20162 votes

http://i.imgur.com/eRoFTHF.jpg RIP heal stabber

AMYS GRAVEJul 14, 20162 votes

This change is likely meant to force Shen to back more often, which makes him use Teleport to get back to lane more often, so he has it up less for fights and actually has to burn ult to help people out.

But that's his strength, being able to ult an ally, help that fight, and TP back to lane is why you pick him.

IncognonymousJul 13, 20163 votes

This is both hilarious and embarrassing.

MelledoneusJul 14, 20162 votes

It's not about what they're nerfing. It's that they're nerfing Shen of all people.

And A Real HieroJul 13, 20163 votes

I can't help but think this happened because I gave them my piece on the Shen rework (in a recent survey) and mentioned the only stat they didn't nerf was his health regen.

TheOvermindJul 14, 20162 votes

Yep they are buffing Zyra and vayne and they are nerfing Shen. I would really like to have a crack at whatever the hell the balance team is smoking.

MelledoneusJul 14, 20161 votes

Don't.

That stuff is radioactive.

TheOvermindJul 14, 20161 votes

Lmfao

Beastyboy387IVCJul 13, 20161 votes

Probably aimed more for competitive play.

JasiwelJul 14, 20161 votes

Shen might be strong in Korea. No idea though and it's hard to find out without knowing where to look. Apparently, according to OP.GG, he had the second highest pickrate with a 50% Winrate in KR. It's still an odd nerf, but I'm guessing Riot wants to be careful for competitive given he has a global ult and his skills can decide team fights.

On LolKing, he's apparently more favored in Masters+, hitting a 9-12% pickrate with relatively high winrates. Of course, as is usual with Masters winrates, he ping-pongs every couple of days, but it's an interesting graph to examine.

MelledoneusJul 14, 20163 votes

Dude. Anything is strong when it comes to Korea.

See you next month when AD Bruiser Galio support becomes god tier in Korea.

JasiwelJul 14, 20161 votes

True, but that doesn't disqualify my point. Remember that Viktor was seen as barely viable over here for a while, but had like a 16% Pickrate and a lot of competitive play in KR.

MelledoneusJul 15, 20162 votes

Riot doesn't balance the game around Korea.

JasiwelJul 16, 20161 votes

But they do examine and adjust champions based on their proficiency in higher level player, whether it be the highest ELO or even competitive.

I'm not saying Shen deserved this 0.3 HP Regen nerf, I'm just trying to provide a motive.