Here is how fighting a good zed goes.

MunchCrunchLunch·Dec 23, 2015·2 votes·544 views

gets 1 item. spawns. ults you with full health. ignite. you die. rinse and repeat.

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Maximum MordeDec 23, 20152 votes

Did you know that if you build a health item that Zed can't 100-0 you anymore?

His damage isn't he problem with his design, its the silly amount of safety and waveclear he gets all wrapped into one manaless package. Means no matter what you do, you can't really punish Zed unless his player has the intelligence of a rock.

MunchCrunchLunchDec 23, 20151 votes

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Did you know that if you build a health item that Zed can't 100-0 you anymore?

His damage isn't he problem with his design, its the silly amount of safety and waveclear he gets all wrapped into one manaless package.

thats what am saying. the fact that he can ult ignite and run away. while out csing me. is stupid. am focusing on last hitting while he spams his manaless kit. he gets poke and cs on me at the same time. am not saying its all all in me and am dead. a lot of mid laners can do it even easier than zed. and some of them don't even need ignite. but other than leblanc. nobody has the escape and safety zed has.

Maximum MordeDec 23, 20151 votes

You can force him to choose between CSing and poking you. What you CAN'T do, that you can do to most other champions who you are outplaying, is zone them forcing them to fall behind. You can't force Zed to fall behind. That's really the only complaint I have about him.

MunchCrunchLunchDec 23, 20151 votes

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You can force him to choose between CSing and poking you. What you CAN'T do, that you can do to most other champions who you are outplaying, is zone them forcing them to fall behind. You can't force Zed to fall behind. That's really the only complaint I have about him.

annie has more burst than zed. far more. but a good annie. won't spawn. run at you under the turret. and span her kit. because she can't place tibbers and switch places with him. she will get ganked and she is sure dead. zed however. can do whatever he wants. just like you said. you can't force him to do what he won't do. unless you are playing his hardest counter. i did well playing against him with talon. i simply wait for him to ult before going all in. so he can't get that bonus damage. but hes just too annoying now you know i dont like to play the same champion over and over and zed is just way too overpicked right now so that if u don't pick a champion that counters zed your fucked

A Miss FortuneDec 24, 20151 votes

I agree, even if you do get kills on him and beat him down in lane it still feels like you don't really win. His wave clear, safety, and simplicity makes him ridiculous to play against in pretty much all cases that you're up against a competent Zed.

TreeofwarDec 23, 20151 votes

i mean zed has his hard counters too and is hard to play well

MunchCrunchLunchDec 23, 20151 votes

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i mean zed has his hard counters too and is hard to play well

hard to play well doesn't mean anything to buffing him this much.

WalkingInACircleDec 23, 20151 votes

He's not hard to play.

TreeofwarDec 23, 20151 votes

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He's not hard to play.

i said he is hard to play well he is one of the hardest champs mechanically in the game just because a new player can learn the basics of zed does not mean he is easy

MunchCrunchLunchDec 23, 20152 votes

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i said he is hard to play well he is one of the hardest champs mechanically in the game just because a new player can learn the basics of zed does not mean he is easy

but how is that relevant to the discussion here?

TreeofwarDec 23, 20151 votes

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but how is that relevant to the discussion here?

because he is saying how op zed is but i have seen zeds come back to lane with 1 item ult me and do nothing and just die to me so a zed being able to kill you does not mean anything. Thats like saying annie came back to lane with 1 item and killed me with her combo.

MunchCrunchLunchDec 23, 20151 votes

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because he is saying how op zed is but i have seen zeds come back to lane with 1 item ult me and do nothing and just die to me so a zed being able to kill you does not mean anything. Thats like saying annie came back to lane with 1 item and killed me with her combo.

wait. but here is the thing. annie's not gonna run at you and ult. because she has no escape. she has no plan B. zed. if something wrong hapened. can just back to his shadow. I stunned him under the turret. he had like 5% health. and he was able to go back to his shadow after i died. he can place his shadow. ult you because there is nothing you can do about that. ignite you and back to his safe distance. can you tell me that annie can do that. if annie missed her ult. then. shes done for. you will all in her. however zed. can just walk away.

WalkingInACircleDec 23, 20151 votes

Right, and I disagreed.

He's not hard to play. Very ordinary skillshot, very forgiving.

TreeofwarDec 23, 20151 votes

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Right, and I disagreed.

He's not hard to play. Very ordinary skillshot, very forgiving.

then who is hard to you if zeds not hard then every champ in the game is dirty easy

MunchCrunchLunchDec 23, 20152 votes

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then who is hard to you if zeds not hard then every champ in the game is dirty easy

azir is hard. zed is not hard to play. maybe hard to master. but i did really well on my first two matches and I didn't find any of his mechanics hard to understand. however I played a lot more and I can't even play okay with him.

TreeofwarDec 23, 20151 votes

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azir is hard. zed is not hard to play. maybe hard to master. but i did really well on my first two matches and I didn't find any of his mechanics hard to understand. however I played a lot more and I can't even play okay with him.

i find azir not that hard he has an escape and good poke not much to understand maybe hard to master but he is not hard to play

MunchCrunchLunchDec 23, 20151 votes

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i find azir not that hard he has an escape and good poke not much to understand maybe hard to master but he is not hard to play

he has no burst compared to other mid laners

TreeofwarDec 23, 20151 votes

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he has no burst compared to other mid laners

he can kill tanks really easily and has good poke and good team fighting and if you think he has no burst then your wrong really wrong he can hit for 1.2k with his combo.

WalkingInACircleDec 23, 20151 votes

Try playing Syndra, Orianna, Ashe, Twitch, or Fiddlesticks. Lifes a bit harder when you cannot make a positioning mistake or die, not to mention having far more vested into skillshots than Zed ever has. Or just a plain weak early game. Having a strong early is a lot easier than a strong late game, because late gamers actually have to survive their weak period to reach their strong one.

MasterSomethingDec 23, 20151 votes

If you want punishing positioning, you should add God'Maw to the list. AP God'Maw is especially hard when going against anyone AD because they have their dashes.

Pasta Help DeskDec 23, 20151 votes

So what if Zed ults me right as I click on a Thresh lantern? Does zed travel with me?

MunchCrunchLunchDec 23, 20151 votes

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So what if Zed ults me right as I click on a Thresh lantern? Does zed travel with me?

i've seen zed ulting through the bard journey and he actually traveled all the way out while ulting. idk about thresh