Pretty sure rengar is dead

HongChongDong··1 votes·812 views

An assassin that lets everyone know he's on his way to kill them. Something just isn't right with this logic.

This mechanic right here is everything anti assassin and it also defeats the purpose of even having a long range "camouflage" type stealth in the first place. It's almost physically impossible now to actually kill anyone because even a player in low elo with no grasp of map awareness would know to back off and regroup with allies. To add to this, his ult doesn't even give you ferocity stacks anymore. So with the stacks disappearing within mere seconds of not being in combat your ability to assassinate is dropped down even further.

Does rengar do more damage? Yes. Is his new ult horrible? Yes. Any other mechanic is fine, but if there's a global alert for when rengar is ulting then the ability might as well be changed to a invisibility class stealth with a 6 second duration. About the only time this ability has a use is when an easy to pick off player is too far away from anywhere to find safety (this won't happen in plat or above), or if the ability is instead used at close range as a leap.

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Shuyin1782 votes

If you think Rengar is bad then you clearly have not faced a Rengar this season. I was full tank and he 100-0'd me multiple times in about 2-3 second time span.

HongChongDong1 votes

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If you think Rengar is bad then you clearly have not faced a Rengar this season. I was full tank and he 100-0'd me multiple times in about 2-3 second time span.

Never said anything about his damage, only his ult.

EcchiOtakuTM2 votes

He's a proud hunter are you actually being serious right now? Ofc he'd be the cockiest bastard on the planet wants you to know he's coming to make it an even more thrilling hunt.

He may be an assassin but first and foremost he's a hunter, and he sure as hell is making it work(Although bonetooth is once again, like it has since release, breaking him)

ssj8Brolykugeta2 votes

rengar is crazy right now. wtf are you talking about m8

HongChongDong1 votes

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rengar is crazy right now. wtf are you talking about m8

If he gets fed? Sure, because at that point he snowballs and it's impossible to stop him, whether you know he's coming or not. If he doesn't get fed? You'll have everyone immediately get to safety where you have no chance of getting to them in most cases. The argument isn't that he's strong but rather that his ultimate doesn't fit the assassin gameplay and is pointless as an assassination tool if your target knows you're coming. In hindsight I should've worded the title better.

Revali2 votes

rengar isn't dead, now he just isn't as cheesy to snowball with because you got one kill.

TwinkiePro1 votes

What made rengar such low counterplay originally was his oneshot, not his ultimate. His ultimate was gutted to even it out.

HongChongDong1 votes

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What made rengar such low counterplay originally was his oneshot, not his ultimate. His ultimate was gutted to even it out.

So you're saying that a global alert on an assassin using his primary assassination tool is excusable? I could understand anything else from gutting his damage to increasing the range on his old alert but like this no one can get caught out.

DrCyanide1 votes

Yeah, it's pretty excusable when he's also got a "Get out of CC Free" card!

HongChongDong1 votes

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Yeah, it's pretty excusable when he's also got a "Get out of CC Free" card!

So what does that do for him? This means he has to put his ferocity stacks towards living which cuts his damage and it's only good for 1 use so after wards it's super easy to restack CC as he has no means of escape at all.

DrCyanide1 votes

It cuts his damage in exchange for 1.5 seconds of CC immunity and healing. If you get off a single Auto Attack when you otherwise would have been stunned, you've done more damage.

HongChongDong1 votes

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It cuts his damage in exchange for 1.5 seconds of CC immunity and healing. If you get off a single Auto Attack when you otherwise would have been stunned, you've done more damage.

Haven't said anything about his damage. The ENTIRE post is directed towards his ult and the lack of "stealth" it actually gives. If the situation allows for him to actually deal damage, then yes, he does a plenty of damage as expected of him.

Spicy Rice1 votes

Pretty sure if it gets to the point where you need to empowered w in a fight, you are trying to get out, not do more damage

Villiers1 votes

All of your arguments make it look like you're a salty Rengar main who doesn't have the game easy enough yet.

TwinkiePro1 votes

He can still kill people quickly right? you know who struggles with that right now? most of the other assassins. Yet you choose to complain about how weak the strongest assassins is right now.

HongChongDong1 votes

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He can still kill people quickly right? you know who struggles with that right now? most of the other assassins. Yet you choose to complain about how weak the strongest assassins is right now.

As I've replied to 2 other above replies I've said nothing about his ability to deal damage. This is entirely pointed at his ultimate.

Villiers3 votes

When most rengars use their ultimate when they're already relatively close it doesnt really matter if its a global warning, they just need to walk 5 steps and leap.

Why play Kled if you get a global warning he's going to do his job and engage on you? Likewise with Sion. Why play TF if everyone knows you're about to teleport?

HongChongDong1 votes

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When most rengars use their ultimate when they're already relatively close it doesnt really matter if its a global warning, they just need to walk 5 steps and leap.

Why play Kled if you get a global warning he's going to do his job and engage on you? Likewise with Sion. Why play TF if everyone knows you're about to teleport?

Know how easy it is to dodge a kled and sion ult when you know they're coming? Kled's abit more unpredictable but with sion there's a super limited route he can take from a distance so you basically always know where he's coming from, giving you plenty of time to dodge. TF is completely unrelated as he can instantly active ult then teleport in give little time to retreat or prepare for him in alot of cases. However, rengar still has to physically run the distance to get to his target which gives more than enough time to react and prepare.

As for ulting nearby. Again, his early-mid is fine because his damage is great and his ganks work. Late game that's not the same story. Late game comes around and no good player will be in any part of the map in a position to be picked off. They'll either have someone with them to protect them against you, have too many wards to prevent you from getting close then ulting, and finally you can't simply ult from a long distance away anymore due to the reasons I've created this post for.

TwinkiePro1 votes

Mahou has a point. Are you saying all those ultimates are bad? TF has a lot of telegraph and has always been a good champ.

I know you are talking about his ultimate, thats why i keep saying it was gutted for his damage. No one liked his previous ultimate.

ItsOrval1 votes

That's weird, because the guy from my last game said he is a lot of fun and carried hard.

https://s22.postimg.org/crotp93m9/2016_11_10.png

HongChongDong1 votes

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That's weird, because the guy from my last game said he is a lot of fun and carried hard.

https://s22.postimg.org/crotp93m9/2016_11_10.png

Checked all of the names and they range anywhere from bronze to at best gold 4. In plat alone it'll be extremely difficult to make him work but if you're in diamond and above I can guarantee that it'll be impossible. in high elo no one is going to be in a position to get picked off by an ult like that which is where my point lies. I'm not saying he doesn't deal damage, I'm not saying he's weak, I'm saying that beyond a certain level of skill his ult is useless.

ItsOrval1 votes

Well yeah... there are 100+ champions that you never see in Diamond+, so your point is pointless.

HongChongDong1 votes

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Well yeah... there are 100+ champions that you never see in Diamond+, so your point is pointless.

Wrong. Every and I mean EVERY single champion in the game can be played anywhere from D5 to D2 with at the very least successful results if the player is good enough. This ability on the other hand has no way to counter play its disadvantage. You're thinking of things not being meta but there's a massive difference between being viable and being meta.

Stephenizgod1 votes

Rengar is still broken...

FioraWillCarry1 votes

I had a game recently where my team could not stop feeding Rengar so I don't know what this thread is about. He's still Rengar.

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