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vayne true damage fix.

SshhhCantPoop·5/31/2015, 7:03:47 AM·10 votes·1,901 views

In my personal opinion, i feel that everything in this game should be able to be countered. for example, ad with armor, ap with magic resist, true damage with health, etc. except, there is one thing in this game that i feel is truly uncounterable. vayne's true damage. it is percentage health, so there is NOT A SINGLE WAY to counter it. And, on another note. if a summoner knows how to play vayne really well, then they can win almost every single game with her without fail. for example, the Gosu stream going on right now, he has 13 straight wins with vayne, and the one time he is forced to play a champion other than vayne, he gets a loss. I know a lot of people will disagree with me for this, but i believe that vayne's true damage should be changed to a percentage of her AD rather than the enemy's health. because then vaynes wont be able to just go straight attack speed and deal a shit ton of damage. but in place for the huge loss of damage, her ult activation should give more ad, and the scaling on her q and e should be brought up. then vayne will be a much more clean champion in my opinion. im fine with hate, but please at least see this my way before disagreeing.

38 Comments

EffectFX5/31/2015, 7:06:31 AM5 votes

No.

Dr Poro6/1/2015, 8:48:52 AM3 votes

She does have counters... AS reduction (Frozen hearth, Randuin's omen, some champs' abilities) work great against her. Counter her stealth with item 3364 , and counter her nature as a squishy with hard CC. Note that the true damage portion is only about 20% of her total damage output. Armor and health will still make you last longer but being able to burst her down is usually more efficient.

Note that by stacking hp and armor, you're never going to win vs a full build adc. With last whisper and their lifesteal, they just always melt you in a 1v1 if you don't have enough damage.

Tryce Maxwell5/31/2015, 8:35:01 AM3 votes

I agree with this, vayne is grotesquely OP

GaleWinUnleashed6/1/2015, 10:22:09 PM2 votes

Frozen Heart, or any attack speed debuff. Ta-da, countered.

Kendra5/31/2015, 7:06:53 AM2 votes

One small thing to add - you can actually avoid the third proc of her silver bolts doing a billion true damage by using QSS to cleanse the first two bolts. Not exactly the meaningful counterplay you were looking for since qss has a cooldown much longer than it takes for her to auto you 3 more times, but still worth mentioning.

MLDzXnRRR5/31/2015, 9:34:49 AM1 votes

only Malphite with FH and Randuins / Nasus with the same items are kind of good vs her. But she can get QSS to get rid of their slowing abilities.

ModKnightsKemplar6/1/2015, 11:11:03 PM1 votes

She has low range, and her early game is very weak.

You must think Nasus is crazy OP, too. He's just as bad (or worse) if you let him free farm to late game.

CC her and kill her. She's a squishy.

Icestar11866/2/2015, 4:23:50 PM1 votes

It's an interesting idea, but I think Vayne is ok where she is.

Raptamei6/2/2015, 4:24:58 PM1 votes

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In my personal opinion, i feel that everything in this game should be able to be countered.

Surely there is no way to counter something that requires three consecutive auto attacks.

Or is there?

WarlockLaw6/6/2015, 4:04:30 AM1 votes

I feel you have never seen vayne's laning phase. Her laning phase is so absolutely atrocious that vayne has basically zero influence on how laning phase goes. When vayne can't afford items she isn't going to do anything just like any other adc. Basically don't let her get out of hand. Basically any adc and a lot of supports can zone a vayne away from her cs and if not kill her. People make mistakes by not playing aggressive enough, while being wary of ganks from the jungler

Aaravos5/31/2015, 8:28:29 AM1 votes

I don't think vayne is op at all (strong for sure) but there is one issue. if she get the lead can snowball out of control and become unstoppable because you can't reduce her damage outpot effectively. Don't reduce her overall strenght but changing his true damage into physical what is scales with ad would be good. And maybe giving her little as steroid after the third proc to keep her strong as she is now if the scaling is not enough.

Lauricella35/31/2015, 7:25:10 AM1 votes

i think it's just her annoying as f**k knockback and ult stealth are annoying

l Hatsona Miku l9/2/2015, 5:58:27 PM1 votes

I feel like they should change her true dmg timer. Like after you deal the true damage you wont be able to do it again for a little while. Like ekkos passive, braums stun and what not