Upcoming Garen nerf: -4 AD/spin on E

8Belthazor8·Oct 15, 2019·3 votes·1,944 views

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18 Comments

CHRo0MAXOct 15, 20192 votes

He deserves to be nerfed much more than that. If he's left like that, you should count yourself lucky.

8Belthazor8Oct 15, 20191 votes

Wait what? I think this so called "nerf" is a bad joke.

Darkdemon653Oct 15, 20191 votes

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He deserves to be nerfed much more than that.

That's his point.

MrFawknSunshineOct 15, 20192 votes

-4 ad on his E spins is a lot of damage and wave clear nerfed

if he spins 7 times that -28 damage

8Belthazor8Oct 15, 20193 votes

28 in the current meta is a lot of damage. You actually made me laugh. [galio-happy]

MrFawknSunshineOct 15, 20193 votes

this hurts his early game trades alot and his wave clear making him weaker early. easier to punish

8Belthazor8Oct 15, 20192 votes

Well, I don't think people are upset about Garen because he can deal +28 dmg in early trades compared to the next patch. It is rather his instant 5 stacks with conqueror, his anti-cc and his true damage. Let's see his damage with triforce (lvl 10) now and in the next patch.

Now: Q: 281 + E: (24+7+60)101.25 + R: 150 + 20% missing health = 1568 + 20% missing heath

Next patch: Q: same + E: (20+7+60)101.25 + R: same = 1518 + 20 % missing heath

I highly doubt players will say "oh thank god Garen was nerfed, I only took 1720 damage from point and click abilities, not 1780.

They should remove his instant 5 stacks, that would be a more reasonable nerf.

Moody POct 15, 20191 votes

Conqueror sucks and removing the synergy would probably raise his winrate once people are forced onto runes that aren't dog shit

MrFawknSunshineOct 15, 20192 votes

ok well he only has true damage on ult

which he had before...

and the ult base stats got nerfed all the way across

2ndly

is E is most used ability to trade and farm with. also reducing the AD on it reduces the scaling he gets with conqueror stacks

also why does NO ONE build attack speed debuff against garen ?

why does people out of no where forget WELL MAYBE I SHOULD FACE TANK HIS ENTIRE E

his play pattern and style hasnt changed. he is still subjected to kiting/cc he is a juggernaut if he gets to you and you dont disengage he is going to kill you

same as darius, nasus, etc etc

OH ALMOST FORGOT ... he isnt nearly as tanky as he use to be for free , he lost 20 free armor/mr and his .75 reduce on cc is a joke by also getting a shield based on his HP instead of a shield based on nothing means he is forced to build into tanker hp items to make it worth a damn. but lets not forget his W is skill that maxed last so at lvl 11 he might have 1 point in it?

and it has a 23 sec cool down at lvl 1

8Belthazor8Oct 15, 20191 votes

ok well he only has true damage on ult

You forgot conqueror.

his play pattern and style hasnt changed. he is still subjected to kiting/cc he is a juggernaut if he gets to you and you dont disengage he is going to kill you

Then maybe they should nerf something that is new in his kit (instant 5 stacks conq cough..cough...) and likely problematic instead of reducing his damage a bit which will not change a thing tbh.

MrFawknSunshineOct 15, 20192 votes

mention conqueror already

and the issue isnt true damage form conqueror

its the stacking ad damage bonus you get while shredding armor which hmm doubles on his E

TaldionimtOct 15, 20191 votes

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-4 ad on his E spins is a lot of damage and wave clear nerfed

if he spins 7 times that -28 damage

28 damage subtracted from a 3000 damage spin. lol good joke buddy.

MrFawknSunshineOct 15, 20191 votes

his spin dont do 3000 damage

why are you making shit up?

TaldionimtOct 15, 20191 votes

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his spin dont do 3000 damage

why are you making shit up?

triforce, PD, ER, IE, stattikk shiv, zerkers, and red pot. 1 E does 3k damage.

MrFawknSunshineOct 15, 20191 votes

oh ok after he has 9000 k in gold

man what was i thinking

[zombie-brand-facepalm]

ZephyrDrakeOct 16, 20191 votes

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triforce, PD, ER, IE, stattikk shiv, zerkers, and red pot. 1 E does 3k damage.

So a Garen that has reached max build is the issue here? Or do you somehow think that Garen magically starts with those items each game?

MrFawknSunshineOct 15, 20191 votes

ok 1 rank in E

8 / 12 / 16 / 20 / 24 (+ 0 − 8.2 (based on level)){1.6} (+ 32 / 34 / 36 / 38 / 40% AD (7 plus 1 per 20% bonus attack speed from items and levels) times over 3 seconds

garen lvl 3 has base 76 ad

so 8 +1.6 +32% of 76ad ( 23ad ) x 7 ( if he hits you with all 7 spins ) 228 damage this isnt including reduction from armor or armor pen, conqueror anything

base of base

now if you stand and face tank his entire E you should take damage and alot of it.

now 4 +1.6+23 x 7 = 200 damage

so thats a 22% reduction in damage from E at rank 1 .

thats pretty fukin big