Can we make Jayce manaless?

Caítlyn··3 votes·971 views

After all, its "balanced" on Yasuo

Why not Jayce ?

40 Comments

ModWulf Helhammer10 votes

Wow do you not think. I mean I know you post stupid troll things, but this really takes the cake.

Miss Luxanna11 votes

"why downvotes"

ModWulf Helhammer6 votes

he posted it. This time it's "downvote bots"

Miss Luxanna4 votes

XD

warpenguin5551 votes

i wish i could see lifetime downvotes

Vallalan6 votes

Yasuo is manaless by necessity. if his dash costed any mana he would go oom just trying to function as a champion.

its the same reason riven is resourceless and Katarina is resourceless.

its annoying, but necessary. if yasuo is unable to dash at any point he is a useless champion. even energy would cripple him and make him unplayable.

I hate yasuo, and there are a lot of things i hate about him that i think need changing. his resource is not one of them. maybe he doesn't need flow shield, or the ability to hold onto his tornado for as long as he does currently, but he's fine otherwise.

Jayce is your basic champion that is gated more by cooldowns/mana than dependent on being able to spam his abilities in quick succession. most caster's need a resource. just stop dude. you sound silly.

Caítlyn2 votes

Yasuo doesnt need to dash 50 billion times. Other champions dash once or maybe twice. If he had mana/energy he could still dash far more than every other champion. Yasuo players can learn to deal with simple things like cooldowns and costs that every other player has to deal with.

Vallalan1 votes

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Yasuo doesnt need to dash 50 billion times. Other champions dash once or maybe twice. If he had mana/energy he could still dash far more than every other champion. Yasuo players can learn to deal with simple things like cooldowns and costs that every other player has to deal with.

the champions who have one or two dashes also do more than just deal good auto attack damage. yasuo's only utility is his windwall which is a strong ability gated by a long cooldown.

beyond his damage yasuo brings next to nothing to a team. his knock up is gated by need 3 stacks and can be missed. he brings a ton of damage and is immobile but doesn't do anything else. he also doesn't have "burst" unless he builds straight damage at which point he explodes if he goes into deal damage. if a yasuo is bursting you then he can also be bursted if you focus him down and lock him down.

champs with less dashes like say ekko, renekton, ezreal, etc all bring something else. Ekko has a shit ton of utility/burst. Renekton has burst, a stun, and can tank for a long time. ezreal is only damage but he also is ranged unlike Yasuo. ]

just think before you say something. think ab out why a champion works the way they do.

LadyRenly2 votes

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Yasuo is manaless by necessity. if his dash costed any mana he would go oom just trying to function as a champion.

its the same reason riven is resourceless and Katarina is resourceless.

its annoying, but necessary. if yasuo is unable to dash at any point he is a useless champion. even energy would cripple him and make him unplayable.

I hate yasuo, and there are a lot of things i hate about him that i think need changing. his resource is not one of them. maybe he doesn't need flow shield, or the ability to hold onto his tornado for as long as he does currently, but he's fine otherwise.

Jayce is your basic champion that is gated more by cooldowns/mana than dependent on being able to spam his abilities in quick succession. most caster's need a resource. just stop dude. you sound silly.

by necessity? im sure its possible to give a reasonable cost, even if its like 5-15 mana per dash

Vallalan1 votes

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by necessity? im sure its possible to give a reasonable cost, even if its like 5-15 mana per dash

while thats more reasonable, if at any point yasuo can't dash he is basically useless. for perspective let's say a mage has barely enough mana for one ability. like a lux has one E left or maybe one Q. she can hold onto that stay out of a fight and wait for best use of that one last shot she has.

if a yasuo gets low on mana he is effectively out of a fight in that situation as he can't go in and deal any sustained damage as his Q and E spam would drain what little mana he has left instantly.

he is similar to riven. he spams very low cooldown abilities. at that point you can't have a resource.

LordGeovanni1 votes

much like ryze most any mage with cdr firoa etc

PermabannedGaren4 votes

Yasuo can't nuke enemy squishies from nearly 1,500 units away like Jayce can.

Yasuo's kit save his wind wall is fairly weak on an ability by ability basis, which is why he is allowed to have no resource and short cooldowns. Wind Wall's power is why the cooldown is so high.

No offensive ability in Yasuo's kit is nearly as powerful as Jayce's cannon Q, especially when it's accelerated (Yasuo's E>Q does considerably less damage by comparison, and from a much shorter range while also putting him in harm's way).

I understand that you are either a little slow or a troll (probably the latter), but try to understand why champions are designed the way they are.

Elite4Runner3 votes

The available utility in Jayce's kit is significantly greater that Yasuo`s. The only way to limit that utility is through resource cost and cooldowns. Eliminating the resource cost would make him too strong without significantly increasing his cooldowns, which would make him too weak.

Caítlyn2 votes

Yasuo wall says hi. Thats already better utility then pretty much everyone in the entire game.

He also has an AOE knockup while Jayce only has 1 melee single target knockback.

ReZisT Lust3 votes

jayce has 6 moves yasuo only has 4 1/2 and is mobile only through minions and his feet while jayce has his gate a knockback as well its not a good choice of a champ to compare him to yas

SwiftKitten883 votes

that's like asking to makeNidalee spears manaless.

and it doesn't take a nid main to realize THAT is a stupid idea...

although his mana costs ARE bit high, making him pretty much REQUIRE item 3070 they can definitely be toned down.. but manaless is out of the question.

Caítlyn1 votes

Why not make them manaless? We already have Yasuo bullshit.

Why are some champions forced to buy trash items like item 3070 while others can rush item 3155 ? Seriously every champ that rushes item 3155 is broken as fk. Delete that item already.

Beldair3 votes

Let's first delete you....

A Has has plenty of counters and isn't broken.....like Satan Teemo (just kidding Teemo mains...gotta pick on y'all).

For instance, Braum and Lux are good counters to Yasuo. Braum's passive along with his shield make it difficult for Yas to knock anyone else buy Braum up. And Lux's snare and slow make Yas fearful of getting in her range..

Elite4Runner3 votes

I'm having trouble understanding what you really want. Are you annoyed because Jayce's has mana issues or that Yasuo doesn't?

Caítlyn1 votes

Yasuo shouldnt get to play in perma-URF mode. Thats legit retarded.

Elite4Runner6 votes

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Yasuo shouldnt get to play in perma-URF mode. Thats legit retarded.

Interesting, ... have you ever actually ever played Yasuo in URF?

Caítlyn2 votes

I dont own any broken champions so no.

But I read some posts by Yasuo mains crying about how nothing changed for them in URF and he needs buffs.

Elite4Runner7 votes

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I dont own any broken champions so no.

But I read some posts by Yasuo mains crying about how nothing changed for them in URF and he needs buffs.

That's because he is literally the weakest champion in URF precisely because his kit is balanced around being resource-less. Which literally proves that arbitrarily taking the resource cost away from any other champion would make them too strong.

Yasuo is designed to be mechanically difficult. The reason he is seen as "strong" is because those who understand his kit simply outplay you. Every Yasuo player has gone through the initial phase where they get shitty on until they understand him. Every other champion who has resources need to manage those resources more so they require less mechanical skill.

You should honestly try learning Yasuo and you will most likely not complain about it as much. ... or you might still complain, I don't know you.

Caítlyn1 votes

Other champs like Garen love URF. its not about the resources.

I fail to see how hes "mechanically difficult". He has infinite dashes, a wall that blocks everything, and so many passives and free stats and refreshing shields everywhere that it should be impossible to fail as him.

And no I wont try learning him, because I refuse to play champs that are broken. Other then Darius , bought him as a dare from a friend and he was so OP and it was hilarious as fk.

Peppurr2 votes

If you know how to play adc you can kite Darius easy.

Elite4Runner3 votes

Like I said, play him and you will see what I mean.

His "infinite dashes" can only be done on enemy targets and only once per duration. He has to be within a certain distance, every dash is at a fixed distance, there is a weird delay to them. Then in order to be effective with him you have to use them in the proper timing with his Q and reset your auto attacks, and know which form of your Q to use and why, and be able to engage and escape properly, and remember to use your windwall, and be in range to use your ultimate, and know when to use your ultimate, and know when your flow shield is up,.... it sounds easy, but to do all of this whIle dashing is much less easy than you think.

Again, try him. If he's as broken as you think it'll be easy for you. If it isn't, chill out.

Caítlyn2 votes

Lol downvote bots

ModWulf Helhammer4 votes

Eyyyy there it is!

ItsOrval2 votes

Dude i went 18/0 with jayce for the past 3 games, if people like you end up making him get nerfed i will be mad.

zlumpy1 votes

Nah keep the mana but do rework the whole mana bake for melees in hammer form so it can actually give a decent form of mana sustain vs heavy offense. Maybe something similar to karthus with bigger mana gain on cs.

Or make it persistant througb gun/hammer just give hammer a much bigger return for the higher risk.

Caítlyn1 votes

Yah Jayce needs his hammer buffed and the cannon nerfed.

zlumpy1 votes

Tbh the cannon has been nerfed enough.

Sassmast3r1 votes

I'm so sorry you're getting down-voted for making a post with anything moderately sensical.

Realistically, Yasuo just needs a rework. Either he has mana and runs out in two seconds with his dash, or doesn't, has the ability to use it infinitely like he does currently, and ultimately ruins the game for the enemy team. His current state, despite being "balance-able" so-to-speak, can never fully be fun to fight against unless it's completely reworked - that much mobility packed into a champion with less and less targeted abilities in the game makes it legitimately not possible to enjoy fighting versus him.

TurtleMari1 votes

But that would remove item 3004 being able to function on him, which is (i think) a core item on him? Also, Yasuo is far away from being balanced. If ahead = destroys you, If behind = deosnt accomplish anything.

BloodyTompon1 votes

I agree. Make everybody manaless

RookPusher1 votes

The yasuo main's are strong with the downvote.

Axe2Handle1 votes

Is this your daily garbage post of the day?

warpenguin5551 votes

what a stupid thread

SithesisLord1 votes

Because Jayce spamming gate Qs, bursting everyone who doesn´t have twice the range of the ability is such a fun idea.

No one should need to tell you why that´s a bad idea. Asking for manaless Jayce is like asking for a Tryndamere ult long Kayle ult, that also allows her to be invulnerable to CC.

C9 Scott Free 1 votes

I realize this is a troll thread but I really would like for a base AD buff on Jayce

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