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Toothless Lion15 votes

Kassadin's ban rate was even higher when he was at his peak.

Mandang010 votes

This, and it was a pretty long-lived peak at that.

LifeCyclesTWA8 votes

Its funny because her kit is extremely damn similar to Amumu's.

Every Sej player should learn Amumu, and vice versa.

Lugg1 votes

Completely agree with you. The only advantage Sej has is the slows.

C9 Tekniqz1 votes

Honestly you all are completely wrong here. She's nothing like Amumu. Yes she has cc. But theirs one huge huge difference. We are in the tank meta so everyone has tons of hp right. Guess what Sej does? Percentage damage. So she does insane damaged compared to Amumu especially late into a game. Ever notice how she can just 1v1 other tanks? Shes easily 10x better then Amumu will ever be.

Icestar11868 votes

Amumu also does percent damage with his w.

C9 Tekniqz1 votes

Go compare how much each do then say this again

Phoenix Kotori 8 votes

Amumu has practically the same win rate as her.

People are just LCS sheeps.

mvargus2 votes

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Honestly you all are completely wrong here. She's nothing like Amumu. Yes she has cc. But theirs one huge huge difference. We are in the tank meta so everyone has tons of hp right. Guess what Sej does? Percentage damage. So she does insane damaged compared to Amumu especially late into a game. Ever notice how she can just 1v1 other tanks? Shes easily 10x better then Amumu will ever be.

Amumu's W is also % damage and its a AOE DOT rather than being a single target one attack % damage at the start of his W like Sejuani's is. Amumu can 1v5 a team if he has enough health and AP.

Zair Umbras1 votes

They would need to learn something? Press Q to initiate, W for AoE, E for bursty damage, and R to AoE stun. There's of course differences since you can Q over a wall without hitting anything as Sej and Mu's Q range is longer, etc., but still. Same basic concept.

Icestar11862 votes

Also sej's ult is a skillshot.

Zair Umbras2 votes

Hence why I said 'etc', meaning Etcetera.

A5W9VPIhgQ1 votes

its that sej has a better early game then amumu is why

BluePolarizer2 votes

Sej has 2 things that Amumu doesn't: escapes, and HP scaling damage. Amumu has no escapes except Qing to a monster, which means the risk of counterjungling him is way lower, and he has to choose between damage and tankiness.

Salidfingers1 votes

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Its funny because her kit is extremely damn similar to Amumu's.

Every Sej player should learn Amumu, and vice versa.

a friend of mine mains amumu, now he tries to get sej and switches back to amumu if banned. Her kit is slightly better still.

Jungle Lux God5 votes

You obviously don't remember the time when we had two champions with more than a 90% ban rate.

If I remember correctly it was back in Season 3 when Kassadin was still broken and Nunu could outsmite smite with Consume.

Titanium702 votes

You Sir never saw Kassadin. x'D Besides - i´ll never understand why Seju is supposed to be that strong atm.

D0MINATING1 votes

Sejuani is a really good bursty tank with a lot of peel and cc. She is very effective at ganking and has strong wave pushing with her W. That's why she is strong :P

Lugg2 votes

Sej is tanky, has great AoE, slows, and probably the best teamfighting ult in the game. She does everything could want in a jung, that is why.

Nameless Voice2 votes

I'm more confused by the Gragas ban rate. I rarely see him picked or banned (in Gold I), and when I do see him, I'm not amazingly impressed.

Why are people banning him so much?

Icestar11863 votes

Because if he stacks enough health early he can be very hard to kill, and his ult is to Xin's what Sejuani's is to Amumu's.

A5W9VPIhgQ1 votes

i think grag is op tank, as vayne i cant even do damage to him later in the game if my team didnt deal with him early, only runs 1 armor item and cant be killed by adc, what is dis

Aden92 votes

You must be a really bad vayne..

A5W9VPIhgQ1 votes

or the fact that the meta is about tanks, with good tank items, with his ability to get resistance and amazing health scaling?

C9 Tekniqz2 votes

She's honestly easy to outplay. Just keep your team spread out. But people in low ello don't comprehend how to do that. They all stack up like no you take the damage i'm the carry here. And guess what she lays a boa across 5 people because of it. Which is why her ban rate is so high because people just can't play smart. And since the majority of ranked is low ello boom 83 percent ban rate happens.

Ketchup251 votes

If you are spread out you are so exposed to being caught of and she does not need ult to engage, she just needs to use rigteous glory and wait for someone to be exposed q them and then slow them for forever.

Trylobyte2 votes

I remember the days of near-100% Kassadin ban rates. I also remember when Yasuo somehow managed to get a ban rate of over 100%.

MLDzXnRRR2 votes

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I remember the days of near-100% Kassadin ban rates. I also remember when Yasuo somehow managed to get a ban rate of over 100%.

over 8000 :D

atomicwit1 votes

I'm not scared of her but I don't have other champions that bother me more either. To me, there aren't really "must ban" champions like pre-nerf WW+Devourer anymore. I'd actually prefer to have bans directed to protecting our comp. but people rarely communicate enough for that.

ImFlutterShy1 votes

Gragas mid almost 80% ban rate omg!! better nerf riven!

Icestar11861 votes

no, better nerf irelia

stealthfox941 votes

I've always kind of thought Hecarim was O.P and got somewhat annoyed when people demanded he get buffed.

Blue Collar Bear1 votes

I remember Jax having a 90% ban rate not too long ago. I also remember Morgana being very up there.

Icestar11861 votes

Jax?

Blue Collar Bear1 votes

He fell out of favor pretty quickly with a few nerfs to his early laning.

I looked it up, and his reign of terror was March 2014 - July 2014, where he peaked at about 88% ban rate.

Icestar11861 votes

Ah. To me that's "too long ago". I wasn't playing very much then, and I didn't really understand much about the game yet.

Blue Collar Bear1 votes

It was the same for me when I first started back at the beginning of last year. Jax was my nightmare.

Feel free to add me, if you want to talk about the game. I have a good grasp on it.

Icestar11861 votes

By now I think I'm ok, but I'll add you anyway!

Icestar11861 votes

Better nerf Irelia?

JustMyBassCannon1 votes

Remember when Shen and Kassadin both had 100% ban rates?

Brotha1 votes

I'm doing my part to increase awareness of picking or banning out amumu in my ranked games. So tired of the Freelo Mummy being picked whenever Sej gets banned out. I, of course, say this with an 89% win ratio on him on my alternate account and an 87% win ratio with him last season on this one.

VeryGreen1 votes

Amumu takes some sorta skill. His Q is kinda difficult to land. She has a skill shot that is impossible to miss.

thinking man1 votes

are you a pleb who didn't play in s3 for Kass?

Narvuntien1 votes

:(... I miss Sejauni being underrated.

I am aweful at Amumu. completely different.

amumu jumps in and dies.. Sejauni gets to lock the enemy from a distance and has an actually eacape ability if things go badly.

Hinro Honato1 votes

When are people going to learn that trundle eats sej? amumu is waaaay scarier than sej is. Ban the amumu and let them pick the sej, then proceed to club her to death and take her entire jungle. On the same level is nunu which again can be terrifying. the sej bans are just silly.

Icestar11861 votes

Sej isn't good at 1v1, but she can make or break a teamfight.

Meep Man1 votes

Season 3 to early Season 4 Kassadin reached 98% I think. Preseason 5 Warwick reached 92% I believe.

Salidfingers1 votes

i always thought if the enemy team has gragas its a free win.

only thing annoying about gragas is his ult. Outside of that he usually has no damage and falls behind vary easily

Troy2426211 votes

Mumu's gapcloser is slower and can't be used as an escape, his ultimate CD is extremely long and his ultimate requires him to be right next to them and is therefore less safe, but his ultimate has a better payload if you can hit multiple people with it. Those are the biggest differences that I see.

I think that is also why Mumu is faded out right now. That and he drinks mana like Gragas drinks alcohol. Sejuani is a bit better right now in most circumstances, but don't let that take away from Amumu's power.

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