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Make ADCs Great Again

HarrowR··4 votes·2,100 views

People are crying for over a year that ADCs dont feel good to play anymore,i've been maining adcs since season 3 or 4 and its literally unplayable,where do i start,from getting one shotted by tanks,to having to farm on average,assuming youre not doublelift or sneaky for 25-30 minutes of the game to become less useless,to having to have three times the skill level so you can kite,position,dodge everything,play everything perfectly just to be as good as a bronze 5 darius,seriously,the game has dumbed down every role except for adc,if youre making the game easier then make ADCs easier as well,so many people complain about it and yet the role is still the same,i feel like they purposefully made the role weak so they can introduce support role,its not fun being scared of every brush,its not fun being scared to be alone in the lane,even if you are 10/0 and fed you still get oneshotted by that 2/5 jarvan,i dont want to have to play assassins or bruisers just to enjoy the game,i want the marksman to actually be enjoyable,and no i wont "just play Vayne" it gets boring after a while and she's also subject to getting wrecked,but honestly can we get more adcs like Vayne,that has some inherent base dmg like her truesilver bolts or someone like graves that can be more of a bruiser,can we just give the adcs some items with better defense stats or atleast buff their base dmg so you can build frozen mallet on them without becoming useless,like how can phantom dancer frozen mallet yasuo be usefull,i want something like that,im sick of everyone being super mobile except the class that should be that the most,if youre low health glass cannon type then at least you should move fast and be able to dodge sh*t like vayne,enough of immobile adcs,just look at your last few champs rito,camille jumps half-way across the map and oneshots you,there is literally no outplay,she ults so you cant escape,if youre playing jhin youre dead,and now new WW is coming out,he jumps the same,i can already see him flanking me in a teamfight and oneshotting me,i know people will disagree but i think those are the same people that play rengar and love one-shotting adcs or havent played the game before season 6 and think this is a normal state of adcs.Rant over

56 Comments

Astôlfo6 votes

Fuck no. You being 10/0 doesn't make you any tankier unless you build tank. A 2/5 J4 should still be able to kill you in oneshot if he goes full AD and gets his items through CSing/jungling, assists, and/or gold over time, instead of kills. Frozen Mallet on ranged is fucking cancer and shouldn't even be possible to even buy on ranged. We do not ever need another fucking Vayne W passive.

You don't need to be mobile. Get over it. You have the highest damage, waveclear, tower killing, and team destroying potential in the game. Deal with it.

Go home, you're drunk or high.

HarrowR2 votes

Man you dont make sense,why do you think that 2/5 Jarvan should one-shot me? Why do you think that is the normal state of the game,it wasnt like that before,why wouldnt you want adcs to be more mobile,and yes adcs have the most dmg cause they only build dmg but most of the time they get deleted before they can do dmg unless they are lucky or skilled enough to survive,im guessing you are a kha zix main and the thought of someone not dying to you in under 0.5 seconds or being able to duel you or actually escape by being more mobile is too much for your ego to handle,also what bullsh*t is that they get best waveclear?? they literally have the worst waveclear after supports,every other class has AOE abilities that lets them instantly delete groups of creeps except adcs, Veigar with his W,Syndra with her spells,Xerath,Gangplank,Ahri Q,Annie E,even rengar with his new Q,Heca with his Q,Darius Q,i can get 200cs in 25 minutes with this champs while being half asleep

Astôlfo6 votes

Why shouldn't he? He can still CS, jungle, get assists, or just get gold over time to get items. Kills just let you get them faster. And you didn't build defensively at all.

Because they need to have trade offs? How ignorant can you be?

If you died in 0.5 seconds, that is your fault for being bad.

HarrowR2 votes

Dude are you stupid or what,by saying 10/0 it doesnt mean that the other guy has 200 cs while i have 10/0 and 40 cs,i mean when you are literally more fed at every damn aspect,having more cs,more kills,even a higher level,and you still get one-shotted,there isnt even any counterplay,just watch the video,theres a ton more of this,even the pros are saying the role is dead but oh no you know better,just try playing adc only for a month and see how you like it,hugging your support like a scared kitten

Ralanr4 votes

You have 40 CS at ten kills?

Wtf are you doing? Roaming for kills?

HarrowR1 votes

Is this community really composed of 12 years old taking every example literally?

Astôlfo3 votes

You're the last person to be criticizing anyone else's intelligence. Educate yourself first.

HarrowR1 votes

Man i was Dia1,i dont think youre in no position to tell me to Educate myself,(i guess we're talking about the game)also for your comment of them being melee,well it sure doesnt make one f*king difference when they can jump like camille,jump on you like jayce,or better yet do 1k dmg with one spell if they're jayce,or slide through minions if they are yasuo,or milion other gap closers new champs have,and im not talking only about bruisers,what about syndra doing 1.5 k dmg with ult that is point and click,and im not even talking about very fed syndras,just regular syndras,just do me a favor and go play adc for a few games and then play jungle and see whats more enjoyable

Ralanr1 votes

Do you want to have an actual serious discussion? I assume so I treat your stupid examples seriously.

Astôlfo6 votes

Christ you are stupid.

You can have 10 kills and 4000 CS. If you don't build any defensive items, you're still just as squishy as ever.

Now, whether or not you like it, J4 is going to be CSing and/or killing jungle monsters and getting gold over time slowly. He still will get gold for his items. EVENTUALLY. Just far slower than you did. But HE STILL WILL GET THEM. MEANING HE IS BASICALLY FED ANYWAYS BY THAT POINT.

So of course he should oneshot you once he gets his items since it'll take fucking forever for him to do so anyways.

Stop crying and get good. You do4 even know what the word counterplay means.

HarrowR1 votes

Man you still dont get what im saying,Jarvan is just an example,look at fiora or any juggernaut or bruiser,they can literally build one or two damage items and the rest tank and still one-shot you,are you too stupid to understand what im saying,you cant build just 2 dmg items and the rest tank on adc,you would do 0 dmg compared to darius that builds black cleaver and goes full tank after that and is able to walk into 5 people spaming Q and then just press R to kill people,or take hecarim for example,get literally just needs yommuus and the rest is tank and he can still 100-0 an adc without any counterplay possible,i dont think its okay for someone to do almost as much dmg as adc while having 4k hp

Astôlfo3 votes

They're also all fucking melee. You shouldn't ever be in their goddamn range by yourself. And if your team is there, you either positioned like an idiot or your team failed to CC and lock them down and peel correctly. It's usually the former.

Learn to kite and stop crying. They also have far slower damage and don't crit for fucking ridiculous amounts of damage with ranged auto-targeting unmissable autoattacks 2-2.5 times every second.

Stop crying if you know nothing on what you're even whining about.

Ralanr1 votes

If J4 has the items he needs and you're a glass Cannon, then it shouldn't be surprising that he kills you quickly if you can't kill him. Your items don't make you durable.

And use paragraphs for fucks sake.

MatthewRT23 votes

well if the draven had a LDR the poppy would have died alot faster

HarrowR2 votes

Well thats my point though,you cant get LDR as first item,you need 3 items before that and then LDR just to do dmg,before tank meta you didnt have to do that and you could get yourself some HP or resistance so you arent squishy af,and again,you need to farm like crazy or get fed just so you can start playing at 30 minutes of the game

Lovelle1 votes

It's just Poppy that's too strong and needs toned down. Not even Rengar could scratch her in that 2v1 at the nexus. I don't know enough about Ziggs to comment on his overall power, but his ability to nuke structures like that is definitely on the strong side. He's not the only champ that can do that though.

Ralanr3 votes

Paragraphs. Use them.

alfavhunter3 votes

1st fight

draven had vurtually no lifesteal

so of course he got widled down but a tank that was ahead. the counter to the 'fed tank 1v1 adc' is lifesteal

they don't have a lot of damage, lifesteal makes the adc out sustain the damage making the tank only advantage is stalling you from doing something useful for ur team by focusing him/her

ziggs is a known problem because of his passive combined with litch bane makes his push unreasonably stonrg, and that should be toned down considering he is a long distance burst / poke mage

AP sona.... ya she does that, wanna no what else she does? POPS she hurts late game but also dies EXTREAMLY EASILY

assassins, doing their job, wither its 2 ults to quickly take out the adc, or a tank that built bruiser being able to take down an adc with help from an ally support

adc need a little help, but their not as overly weak as ur video suggests, and 7.1 is already addressing this a bit

edit: and that syndra we either very fed OR the adc hadn't built a single shred of MR in its runes/ masteries / items and it was late game syndra with full balls out, item 3156 item 3139 item 3053 , there is multiple ad / defensive items an adc can build as its 'defensive' item, but more than 1 of these will likely prevent the damage an adc needs late game

also keep in mind a 0/5/0 'carry' (mage, assassin, adc, exc) can still RECK based on CS gold

HarrowR1 votes

Thanks for one normal comment that doesnt flame me for suggesting marksman need a little boost,im just saying they should be more mobile,and not as squishy as they are now,compare their base stats and scaling to all other champs,they dont scale MR,they barely scale armor,they dont even scale dmg as good as fighers,they only get some attack speed,they are inherently weak,so they get a support to babysit them,and i dont know for you but i dont think anyone enjoys having to get babysitted,while you can get a fiora that can 2v1,3v1 without much skill

TyrekGoldenspear1 votes

There are plenty of mobile marksmen.

The issue here is that you want to give them a good early game forgetting they have a good late, and this will make them OP in all stages of the game.

HarrowR1 votes

Well i dont know for you but Syndra,Ryze,Cassio,and a ton of other mages do shit tons of dmg early game,mid game and late game too,maybe change something so the adcs are playable in early-mid game,most games nowdays end before 30-35 minutes,which gives you about 5-10 minutes of gameplay with your adc that now can deal some dmg finally,while the other classes are playing basically the same,scaling evenly through-out the game,if you kinda understand what i mean,kha zix will one shot you in 15th minute of the game as he will in 35th

TyrekGoldenspear1 votes

Yes, they do.

But do they have an item like Ruunan's that can spread their devastation?

Can their abilities crit?

Can their abilities heal them without one expensive item?

Can they unload damage with everything off cooldown?

Chill dude. ADCs don't need to kill everything in the first five minutes. They are just as strong as they have always been.

This tower diving and camping bot meta just magnified their weaknesses to be more apparant.

Hauling Ashe3 votes

Please stop embarrassing us ADC mains. There are legit problems with the majority (again, majority) of the ADC class being weak right now. But asking for more ridiculous burst marksmen like Vayne and Graves is not healthy at all and is making a joke out of the ADC predicament.

HarrowR1 votes

I'd love more burst adcs,why not? Mages have sustain dmg champs like Cassio,why not more burst marksmen like vayne and graves

Astôlfo4 votes

Marksmen aren't supposed to have burst. Holy shit how ignorant are you?

HarrowR1 votes

And how close-minded are you,why arent marksmen supposed to have burst,is it the word of god? Its a VIDEO GAME,marksmen are supposed to do whatever they make them do,god i cant even discuss with people as close-minded as you are,just cause they lean more towards doing sustain dmg doesnt mean that every marksmen should follow the same path,quinn is marksmen and she is more of an assassin,graves is more of a bruiser,teemo is even considered marksmen and you can build him full AP,its like saying Mages are only meant to burst,well why the fck would that be the case,if they want they can rework all mages to be sustain dps and all marksmen to be burst dmg,hell they could even make assassin into tanks if they wanted to,its a game that they make and nothing is supposed to be,you probably think adc are SUPPOSED to go bot,but i remember when it was usual for adcs to go mid,kid

Astôlfo3 votes

Because they get to DPS with whatever damage level they have. So if they have burst, it means they can do burst-levels of damage AS DPS. If you can't see the problem with that, you are beyond helping.

HarrowR1 votes

Again you dont understand,if you make a marksman with burst then he wont have sustain dps,like Quinn,what im saying is i want more marksmen like that,or just maybe some new items or rework that maybe gives more surviveability at the cost of dmg or just generally more mobility,if camille can jump half the fucking map then i want a marksmen that can actually escape from that shit,only one i can think of is Tristana with her rocket jump,which animation takes so long to finish you would probably still get stunned by camille and then ultied

Ralanr1 votes

Actually there are burst marksmen and crit basically turns marksmen into burst.

They are a mostly dps class, but there are burst marksmen.

Astôlfo1 votes

The burst marksmen have DPS with said burst levels of damage.

Ralanr1 votes

And then there's Jhin.

Astôlfo1 votes

He's like the one exception, but his playstyle is more like an AD Mage tbh.

Ralanr1 votes

Graves, MF, arguably Varus,

Edit: basically every ad caster marksman.

Astôlfo1 votes

They all have decentish DPS still. But yes.

TyrekGoldenspear1 votes

His damage works as burst vs sustained damage becuase he is literally the only ADC yoy cannoy increase the atk speed of by any means besides leveling up.

Marksmen like this I have no problem having burst, as they are essentially locked out of dps.

Now imagine if Jhin could gey atk speed from items...

HarrowR1 votes

And saying thar marksmen are only meant to be sustain dmg is ignorant,its okay to say tanks or assassins should be tanky or bursty cause their name implies that they tank or assassinate targets,but marksman just like mage isnt a term that implies by itself the rate at which the dmg is dealt,just the means of doing it,mage implies that youre a spellcaster and marksmen that you use a ranged weapon,not the amount of dmg you can dish out in what time

Ralanr1 votes

... So what's a caster marksman then? Just a mage?

HarrowR1 votes

I'd say bruiser adc,like graves,or more mobile ones like vayne,it feels underwhelming to play ashe that is slow and immobile like her legs are broken when you have champs like talon doing parkour around the map,i feel like some of the adcs are getting left behind,its just not that fun to play them anymore

HarrowR1 votes

man why am i even arguing with someone that is bronze and has this match history,http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-history/NA1/231958813?matchType=2

“Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.” -Mark Twain

You can replace stupid with scrubs,or noobs

Astôlfo2 votes

The irony is amusing.

HarrowR1 votes

Man you have positive K/D only 1 in 5 games

Astôlfo2 votes

You're still here whining?

Hauling Ashe1 votes

Because it's just so fun making 'trades' with Graves. I love tickling him with about 76 AD at level 4 while he takes out half my health. Never mind when he gets Bloodthirster.

Mages rely on ability mashing to kill squishier champions in a quick burst. If they exhaust their full rotation, they have to wait for their cooldowns to expire before they can do any damage again.

ADCs are meant to do DPS. They don't rely on their abilities too much. They are the only class that is intended to kill tanks, at the expense of any tankiness of their own. They are supposed to punish you over time by poke and sustained damage output. They are not supposed to delete anyone. The only exception I can think of is Quinn, who is practically an assassin (She relies on her QaaEaa or EaaQaa combos to kill anything at all.) and is super weak in teamfights.

JackMcSnipeyz1 votes

If as an ADC you lose trades with Graves, you're doing it wrong. Also he doesnt get any defensive stats unless he goes in, which means that your poke is plenty enough in short trades.

Hauling Ashe1 votes

If Graves' support is any good, you will lose a lot of trades, actually.

HarrowR1 votes

I never lost a lane with graves bot,which further reveals how weak the adcs are cause graves is more of a bruiser,with in-built resistance,damage and burst

JackMcSnipeyz1 votes

Then maybe it's the support that won the trade and not Graves?

I maim Graves ADC, and let me tell you, unless my support knows what he's doing, im free poke to the enemy ADC.

HarrowR1 votes

Its funny that you think that mages have to wait for their cooldowns to expire before they can do any dmg again but in reality most mages nowdays have 2 second cd on their spells and they can kite 10 times as easily as adc because they dont have to turn around every second to attack,and in most cases when a mage uses his full combo he has already done a shit ton of dmg and can retreat for a few seconds before his regular abilities come back again,while the adc to do the same dmg has to be in all out offensive all the time with his 1.5k health pool

TyrekGoldenspear1 votes

Yeah except the marksmen has his ability pool AND basic attacks that crit and apply lifesteal.

Something's gotta give.

HarrowR1 votes

both crit and lifesteal are completely out of the picture untill 25-30 minutes of the game,like i said,its much more fun to play someone like Zed whos ability to kill people scales evenly through-out the game than an ADC where you are completely useless for the first 25-30 minutes

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