Why riot failed to make an assassin support ((for now))

YuumiSoThicc··3 votes·1,679 views

Firstly, pyke is a FUN champion. Do not get me wrong, i love the champ, but with almost every support matchup, he falls short. The only times he doesnt is when the bot lane is a bunch of potatos stewing in a pot. I get that riot wants to make champs based around what isnt in the game, and this is one of those attempts. Fun champ, doesnt need to be a support.

  1. Why is pyke failing as support? The reason he is failing at support (at least in solo que) is primarily due to 1) Player attitudes and lack of knowledge and a mix and match of different experiences. This is gonna happen with every champ regardless, but still it applies to pyke very hard here. Whys that? Because player attitudes are not conducive to a well oiled bot lane experience with pyke. You NEED cooperation in order to make pyke work, and with the current attitude around players, when you try to tell someone that what they just did in the moment, is not what pyke can do at that moment, they get VERY defensive and start attacking you thinking your attacking them. The second thing about player attitudes is that everything thinks they are the hero, they think they are the carry and that they need to kill as many people as possible. Its not about the objectives anymore, its about the kills and the KDA (at least in the lower elos). Now with that out of the way, lets move on to pyke himself. So 2) Pyke is a poorly executed assassin support. He is extremely telegraphed for an assassin, he has one really good combo, but thats it, and if you dont land it, your screwed. Cannot get healthy (he literally cannot build hp and get HP in return, he builds hp and gets ad which would be good if his ratios were better). The 2 core issues about pyke is his lack of surviveability and his damage. Right now his damage is too low for his lack of survivability. Either make him tankier, or give him better ratios.

  2. How do we make pyke better? I touched on this in the previous paragraph. Hes too squishy and he doesnt have enough damage to make up for that squish. You need to compromise somewhere and right now, he aint compromising nowhere. One way that i think would be pretty good, would be for pyke to have some percentage of damage reduction when exiting stealth OR after he dashes (not both dont ever do that). The second thing i can think of is to change pyke's passive. Allow him to actually build healthy and get tanky but change the passive to be something along the lines of empowered auto exiting stealth scaling off of AD (similar to zix passive).

The other easy way out, is to just buff his numbers, thats about it on that one lol.

Chime in on how you guys think we should make pyke better or what you think could actually be the main issue with pyke.

14 Comments

ChaddyFantome4 votes

Allow him to actually build healthy and get tanky but change the passive to be something along the lines of empowered auto exiting stealth scaling off of AD (similar to zix passive).

If you did that, he'd just be tank ekko 2.0

YuumiSoThicc1 votes

so, you know they can make the base damage on it really low right?

ChaddyFantome2 votes

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so, you know they can make the base damage on it really low right?

what's your point? He would end up being played like a Tank. His Ult is an execute. he doesn't need to do Damage to make it effective. He has tons of CC and a Heal passive for getting out of combat.

Azadethe2 votes

You can already make him tanky. I'm having great success with it ( and still losing with 12/3/11 scores because my team is 4X nutters who don't understand what 8/0 Lucian pre level 6-7. and they perform crappy the rest of the game too)

IcyPepper1 votes

Now imagine him even TANKIER.

ModKagenoOu2 votes

I dont see an issue i love playing pyke and have only ever lost one game as him D:

YuumiSoThicc1 votes

are you playing him as support?

ModKagenoOu3 votes

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are you playing him as support?

yes

elo trash1 votes

Why play pyke? Soraka is forever my bae [sg-soraka] just look at how cute she is :D

ModKagenoOu2 votes

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Why play pyke? Soraka is forever my bae [sg-soraka] just look at how cute she is :D

ew its a unicorn D: i mean uh oh ya, super cute... yes...

Ratpie1 votes

Ya no. He is annoying as hell in the right hands. His kit is made of what everyone hates in this game. The last thing we need to do is make him any stronger. If his damage goes up then some of his utility needs to be removed, same if he is made tankier. He is the unholy spawn of an orgy between Thresh, Rek'Sai, Zed, TK, and Darius. After seeing what he does I am amazed that Rito didn't throw in toxic shrooms or windwall on him too while they are at it. His CD reset is absolutely disgusting in a team fight.

5kull1 votes

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Ya no. He is annoying as hell in the right hands. His kit is made of what everyone hates in this game. The last thing we need to do is make him any stronger. If his damage goes up then some of his utility needs to be removed, same if he is made tankier. He is the unholy spawn of an orgy between Thresh, Rek'Sai, Zed, TK, and Darius. After seeing what he does I am amazed that Rito didn't throw in toxic shrooms or windwall on him too while they are at it. His CD reset is absolutely disgusting in a team fight.

Are you implying that someone with a pull, multi target stun, healing, invisibility, and an execute has too many things??

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