Just had a game where the enemy team had twice our kills, all dragon, and had pushed to the inhibitors in all lanes, while we've only taken three turrets. People still votes no, and a surrender isn't possible.
How in the FLYING FUCK is it winnable. What are we supposed to do when 3 in the enemy team can oneshot us?
This shit happens ALL THE TIME. Accept a loss and move, stop wasting time in a game YOU CAN NOT WIN.
Illabethe7 votesExcept you could have won that. "You" on the other hand...... couldn't.
Your attitude is what prevents your comebacks.
And your must surrender attitude is far more toxic than no surrender.
Gravesinger6 votesI disagree. There are game states which are simply unwinnable, and these can vary wildly. A lot of it does have to do with mind games, sure, but the cause doesn't matter, only the effect does. Could my 0/10 running-it-up-mid Katarina have improved our circumstances by having a better mental? Yeah, most likely. But she didn't, and she's not going to switch it up mid-game, so here we are. It's better to just end the game and remove yourself from the proximity of toxic players, lest it spread to you, than perpetuate this never-surrender philosophy.
At the end of the day, League is a game. Games are supposed to be fun. And I don't mind ff'ing a game which is no longer fun in the hopes of going off to play one that is.
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I disagree. There are game states which are simply unwinnable, and these can vary wildly. A lot of it does have to do with mind games, sure, but the cause doesn't matter, only the effect does. Could my 0/10 running-it-up-mid Katarina have improved our circumstances by having a better mental? Yeah, most likely. But she didn't, and she's not going to switch it up mid-game, so here we are. It's better to just end the game and remove yourself from the proximity of toxic players, lest it spread to you, than perpetuate this never-surrender philosophy.
At the end of the day, League is a game. Games are supposed to be fun. And I don't mind ff'ing a game which is no longer fun in the hopes of going off to play one that is.
You're free to disagree. But what's more fun than a complete comeback? I guarantee on average, it gives more utility than just outright stomping a team. That's called "work." Expected effort. Expected Results. Comebacks are extracurricular.
I have won too many comebacks to EVER call them impossible. There are games where one is unplausible, and some winnables that you lose. But fighting out for that one in 10 potential losses that turns into a win, is worth it...
TheSingularity1 votesIt's less that they're unlikely and more that they're unenjoyable compared to the past.
In the past 1 person could win a game, but it took all 5 to lose you a game. Currently it's reverse. 1 person can lose the game, but it takes all 5 to win. This dependancy on ones team, and inability to have your own impact is what leads to what appears to be the dominant mentality of "that lane is ahead, I am not, I am now irrelevant".
There is then little incentive to not give up. As unfortunately this meta has created a situation of "no fun unless fed" because you're completely irrelevant otherwise If they give up and FF they: Get to move on to another game Get out of a potentially horrendous game Are less likely to tilt and misbehave, producing report fuel in the chat.
If they continue: They can potentially win a game they don't want to be in, that also has a very low chance of occurring in the first place.
All they have to gain from not giving up, is a win that may very well feel worse than losing @15 minutes. As once they've even remotely given up, the game they're in becomes chains and restraints. While you find those 1/10 good comebacks, and 9/10 horrid losses worth it. It seems many wouldn't care it if was 9/10, because unless you're crushing the enemy you have little agency over the game
Olath Quortek5 votesTo be fair, the people that aren't interested in surrendering are probably as interested in not annoying you by surrendering as you are in not annoying them by not surrendering. It's a two way street.
I'd suggest using the time as productively as possible. Choose something to improve upon and work at it. It's real easy to practice playing from behind when your playing from behind.
I'm pleasantly surprised when I end up winning a game that I probably shouldn't have.
Eleshakai2 votesDon't worry, we 'don't surrender' people find you 'wahh we're a bit behind let's surrender at 15' people just as annoying.
TrikzterzArma1 votesDon't worry, we 'don't surrender' people find you 'wahh we're a bit behind let's surrender at 15' people just as annoying.
Ooh ok, so you know me?
ValyrianBlade1 votesJust had a game where the enemy team had twice our kills, all dragon, and had pushed to the inhibitors in all lanes, while we've only taken three turrets. People still votes no, and a surrender isn't possible.
How in the FLYING FUCK is it winnable. What are we supposed to do when 3 in the enemy team can oneshot us?
This shit happens ALL THE TIME. Accept a loss and move, stop wasting time in a game YOU CAN NOT WIN.
I have won a game where my team was farther behind than any team has ever been, and the enemy team was NOT trolling.
Literally everything but our Nexus was destroyed, they had every dragon and Baron, and a gigantic kill lead. Their Riven had been hard-fed and reached level 18 when the highest level on our team was level 14.
We had all 3 inhibs dead (with double supers crashing into our base) on 3 separate occasions. They got 3 Barons. They took a total of 7 dragons. Admittedly for a good part of that we had our double Nexus turrets up, and our inhibitors respawned shortly after they finally killed our nexus turrets (so they never really got a chance to get to our Nexus). We did, however, manage to stall long enough to get everyone to level 18 with full build, and win 3 teamfights in a row to win the game.
That game took 1h17min, and the enemy Riven finished with over 700 farm and over 30K gold. No one on the enemy team DC'd or inted or even made gross mistakes. They simply didn't know how to end against our defense. We had good waveclear (I was Hecarim, we had Lux Mid, and Ezreal ADC). We had good peel (also a thresh support). We managed to peel Riven in our late fights and Ezreal was strong enough to kill her. The rest of her team couldn't handle me. Lux got some good 100-0 picks on their mid-lane Fizz and their ADC.
I'll take a 0.1% chance of winning from behind in my promo series or a game where I might get demoted, or frankly almost any game, over a 0.0% chance if I were to surrender.
Refusing to try to come back is going to cost you rank in the long run. I do make a decent number of comebacks. 0.1% is a gross underestimate, I probably win closer to 5% of the games that I'm noticeably behind in (and have had surrender votes). I also probably lose around 2-5% of games where my team has a big lead. If you're only taking those losses but not getting the wins, you'll fall in rank.
And lastly - I've lost games due to getting surrender voted 4-1, when I was by far the most fed champion on the entire map and could 1v3 any combination of the enemy team, just because my own team was all far behind. They wouldn't play around me. There were games in Silver elo just last season (where I climbed to platinum with about a 60% win rate before it regressed towards 52% once I got to mid-plat) where I would have put my chances at winning close to 60-70% where my team surrendered. At the end of the game, we had a gold lead of about 1-2k, of which about 6k was on me.
People surrender FAR too easily. Even in the worst games, you could always have an opponent DC. There's no reason NOT to make them play it out. Likewise, you should be decisive in playing out your victories to deny comebacks as much as possible. Win quickly to minimize chances that an ally DCs (or tilts and starts making mistakes to let the enemy back into the game).
Saeken1 votesTo be fair, I agree with the never surrender quote. It’s more of a mental state than anything else. From my perspective, when you actually try to force other people to surrender you are giving in into tilt and it will become easier for you to see every mistake as a surrender opportunity. Matter of fact is, so many of the high elo SoloQ players don’t surrender, you never know what could happen, on that one game, that may turn the tides to your side. And even if the game won’t go your way, that probably means it’s going to end in the next 5 minutes, which means it’s not worth surrendering by that point, just keep playing and go over what went down that game and how you could have played it better. As I stated before, it’s more of a mental fortitude and keeping yourself on a positive check. If you plan on surrendering and jumping into the next game that won’t go well, most of the times, you will have to take a break after a lost game to chill out and get over it.
Good luck friends.
The entire team1 votesActually playing the game and trying to win is too hard and taking too much effort?
LetMeCarry19831 votesI recently found that by staying quiet and semi trying, people will surrender. Spamming surrender votes and complaining make people not want to surrender for some reason.
MikeJ122O1 votesSpamming and complaining probably makes you look like you are not trying at all. Maybe they think if you stop spamming and complaining, you might do better.
MikeJ122O1 votesYou'd be surprised that when the enemy team gets caught and you win a team fight, you could take the lead. Most of the time, I don't surrender. Some games I came back with, we won. So surrendering is a guaranteed loss but you still have a chance at winning.
Inkling Commando1 votesmaybe people don't want to focus on winning in the first- hits the brakes wait. wait wait wait. i can see you are one of those people who don't give a flying fuck about anything except winning and if you can't win you want to say "fuck it" and surrender. i know i am not gonna pierce that thick skull armor of yours with my rant so i won't even try.