His pasisve negates trades. His W gives him a free negatron and chain vest His silence is extremely oppressive and the combination of his Q and Grasp makes it very difficult to respond to his Q trade. The villain mechanic PUNISHES you for doing well and as long as he isn't abysmally behind he will kill you and get that shutdown gold to automatically bring him back into the game
I'm not saying he's OP his design is just unfun to play against, especially as a melee caster
Veraska9 votesHes the training wheels champion, hes a noobtube i get why his kits so simple and forgiving, its because hes for beginners
Still feels really bad to pick a melee or someone who cant kite into him tho
feintfiend2 votes[{quoted}](name=The Red Skaarl,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=X4pdAHn0,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-08-03T19:06:52.107+0000)
Hes the training wheels champion, hes a noobtube i get why his kits so simple and forgiving, its because hes for beginners
Still feels really bad to pick a melee or someone who cant kite into him tho
He feels really oppressive to play against as a melee caster
Veraska3 votesHe feels really oppressive to play against as a melee caster
Agreed, the wukong match up at times feels unplayable
Hexs Fortune2 votes[{quoted}](name=The Red Skaarl,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=X4pdAHn0,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2018-08-03T19:18:52.133+0000)
Agreed, the wukong match up at times feels unplayable
Wukong and a host of other melee casters (divers and assassins) need tanky champs with kill potential like Garen as a check. They run roughshod over mages and marksmen after all.
Veraska2 votes[{quoted}](name=Hexs Fortune,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=X4pdAHn0,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2018-08-03T19:23:30.704+0000)
Wukong and a host of other melee casters (divers and assassins) need tanky champs with kill potential like Garen as a check. They run rampant on mages and marksmen after all.
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SuperLuigiLXIV8 votesWell yeah. Juggernauts do to melee casters what melee casters do to ADCs.
You like deleting people with three hits and an Electrocute proc? This is the price you pay for that.
Frostfel4 votesAgreed, Garen and all Juggernaughts are supposed to be good against melee. His passive also only works out of combat, just kite him and it's gg.
JoeAnarchy3 voteshe's a traditional paladin archtype. his abilities reflect it. honestly i find him the most fun to play against.. hes the only champion that feels "fair" to me. i'm not a garen main or top main, but i'll be the first to defend him..
DoktorKaiser2 votesThere is a reason he was always kept garbage. He is perhaps the only beginner champion left and his kit is one of the worst in the game. As soon as he is strong like now people lose their fucking minds, and for a good reason. Expect him to be utterly gutted soon, RIOT rarely tolerates braindead strong champs.
Gewaltherrscher1 votesHe wont be gutted but meddler stated that he wants to add more skill expression to his kit.
I don't think we've got any room to buff Garen right now. Would certainly be interested in adding a bit more skill expression at some point. Not confident a burst of MS on the Q would so though, given it's a pretty reliable and consistent effect. Swapping to Slow immunity, instead of cleansing slows on cast, likely makes timing of Q press more forgiving while also adding noticeable power.
Sona Ping2 votesHis pasisve negates trades. His W gives him a free negatron and chain vest His silence is extremely oppressive and the combination of his Q and Grasp makes it very difficult to respond to his Q trade. The villain mechanic PUNISHES you for doing well and as long as he isn't abysmally behind he will kill you and get that shutdown gold to automatically bring him back into the game
I'm not saying he's OP his design is just unfun to play against, especially as a melee caster
Correct, Garen has a kit he uses to fight enemies.