Does Riot hate Evelynn?

it be lìke that··6 votes·1,058 views

I had planned to climb this season using Eve, i understood she isnt a popular pick and is a much weaker assassin than her counterparts like rengar, fizz and kha'zix jungle. but i enjoyed her and found that with a few early good ganks i could get ahead and crush carries no problem. I started playing other toons to expand my repertoire, just played her for the first time since 6.6 and i gotta say...WHAT?? The nerf to runic echoes made her officially useless! her damage after she gets it is so bad its unreal, she even takes damage just clearing camps! an issue no other jungler has past level 7... it blows my mind, she has gotten 0 cool skins ever, never has been quite strong, i think she has seen the least love out of any character ever, even galio. Say what you want but i feel like she isnt a brainless hero, she is squishy and requires some finesse. Yet cheese heroes like mundo, jax and xin have been craaaaaazy unbalanced for awhile now. Yes you can shut them down with a counter or outplay, but an Eve? I just got destroyed by an akali counter jungling. i had no damage in comparison to a sub level 6, AKALI. it blows my mind, im really interested in other peoples opinions on the state of her, i wish riot would just come out and say they wish she was never made or something.

14 Comments

Skia Asteri2 votes

The main issue is with the repeated nerfs to Runic Echos which was the best jungle item for her. She was in a balanced spot when it was in its release form, but was never compensated for how much weaker it is now.

it be lìke that1 votes

I completely agree and it saddens me. she is a fun champ and quite unique.

Veruka1 votes

I love Evelynn and I do wish she were a bit stronger. I've only played her a handful of times because I find jungling is quite difficult with her. Not the ganking part... I mean it's an actual struggle to clear camps and level up quickly. It seems she's only really good at surprise assassinations, but if she's behind.. good luck.

Ackelope1 votes

having as much constant invisibility makes riot keep her as weak as she is, it might be a little overdone, but i'd rather have her too weak than too strong. if her invisibility was different/nonexistent they could buff her more, but it's pretty integral to her identity.

Linna Excel1 votes

pink wards counter evelynn's ganks.

Nameless Voice1 votes

The current meta really doesn't favour her. All the "priority targets" seem to have really tanky itemisation these days - carries with Sterak's and Maw are basically unkillable for a low-damage-output assassin like her.

SourAppleBlunt1 votes

I agree completely. Her base stats are just so low and her early clear is pretty difficult considering she needs to put up some early pressure to get ahead. She carried me into gold last season after being stuck in silver for a long time. During that time she received nerfs and than season 6 came and shes back into an almost unusable champ. I miss playing eve and it just blows my mind that junglers like voli shyv udyr kindred xin and yi are allowed to stay in their current state, but they wont give eve just a little love to help her clearing? For gods sakes they just buffed ekko again...

WinBoat1 votes

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I agree completely. Her base stats are just so low and her early clear is pretty difficult considering she needs to put up some early pressure to get ahead. She carried me into gold last season after being stuck in silver for a long time. During that time she received nerfs and than season 6 came and shes back into an almost unusable champ. I miss playing eve and it just blows my mind that junglers like voli shyv udyr kindred xin and yi are allowed to stay in their current state, but they wont give eve just a little love to help her clearing? For gods sakes they just buffed ekko again...

Kindred isn't that bad. They sorta like eve really, they need to get ahead to do anything and kindred's damage is pretty crappy unless you can get your E off..... that 3 hit proc.

SourAppleBlunt1 votes

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Kindred isn't that bad. They sorta like eve really, they need to get ahead to do anything and kindred's damage is pretty crappy unless you can get your E off..... that 3 hit proc.

Kind. is the best jg in the game currently at all elos.... and this has been stated by many high elo players and im sure the stats back it up... I love kindred and would be pissed if they nerfed her because shes so fun and tank champs destroy her for the most part but shes the best for a reason and is used in every elo and even lcs....

WinBoat1 votes

Holy shit I just made a thread saying "buff eve" and looks like I found this one just made a few minutes before mine:p

I think her Q could be buffed, it does shit damage literally. Even her ult R is sad...

ViashinoWizard1 votes

Eve's permanent stealth (specifically her ability to ignore regular wards) means she isn't allowed to be strong, the same way pre-rework Poppy wasn't allowed to have a viable laning phase.

bad manner kid1 votes

Riot values passive stealth as like two meaty abilities.

They will continue to nerf Evelynn anytime she becomes popular because "shes too hard to play against"

*cough Shaco is the exact same problem but never makes LCS big plays on the LCS.

Linna Excel1 votes

Short version: yes

Long version: they hate her and she probably needs a major update including a VU and riot doesn't really know what they want to do with her.

garydemonic1 votes

Yes, Don’t let Riot pull the wool over your eyes when it comes to Evelynn. They have no plans on updating her (unless it's to completely change her), nor will they touch her lack of damage because they want to keep her that way.

Think of Eve as the Pandora's box of League. If Riot can keep her boxed up tightly, and prevent her from getting any advantage. They won’t have to deal with the skilless players, and whinny little fan boys complaining about how over powered she is, or that they feel there’s no way to counter her.

Fact. Riot has made her almost unplayable, and nigh close to un-enjoyable back in season 4 when they UBER nerfed her Q. The casting speed nerf, and the damage reduction on it made it all but unusable. I must also mention it’s pathing is crap, and rarely goes in the direction you line yourself up for because it’s not a target-able ability. It was viable back when she could speed cast it, but it’s horrible now because once it’s cast it has too long of a cool down to re-position yourself.

Her E is also in a pretty bad state, but slightly better than her Q because it at least deals decent damage, and was mildly upgraded at the same time her E was FUBAR’d. Her R is all but worthless, and is only good for slowing down some of the enemy team that it might hit do to it’s horrible hit box, and almost non existent duration (not to mention a cool down that makes it extremely laughable as an ultimate ability).

On another note, both her E and her R drop her selected target when cast, so you have to re-select your target instead of it persisting from one attack to the next. This is beyond sad as it prevents you from casting your ability's without double confirming your target.

Her W was nerfed to the point were she has to make the decision to either cast it to run away, or cast it to go balls deep and die because of the mana it consumes upon casting. This was a nerf that fundamentally smashed Eve into the ground because it removed almost all of her utility.

On principle alone a player is better off playing another champion for damage. Most of the games tanks deal more damage in one hit that Evelynn can dish out using her Q, E, and R followed with a couple auto attacks. This is evident with champions like Sion, Alistar, Malphite, Garen, and pretty much any other tank in the game that can one shot most squishy champs once they’re built.

Riot at this time doesn’t even want to call her an assassin anymore. They’ve gone so far as to try and pass her off as a backdoor tank... a TANK? are you kidding me? not only is she not a tank, she can’t even build into it, nor take the damage to sustain it when built like one. She’s not a fighter either because she doesn’t have the damage, and she doesn’t have the lane presence to keep in lane long enough to withstand a fight.

Many people on the forums keep saying "I like were she’s at because her passive is over powered". These people would be the players without tactical skill. The players that just want to shoot laser beams at it, or hit it with a stick. Personally I don’t think her passive is broken as far as how it plays out in the jungle.

At this point riot just needs to remove the fact that her stealth passive puts her into stealth on the screen. I feel the way to fix her passive is to just remove the on screen stealth portion of it. make her able to bypass yellow wards, and that’s that. no more going into stealth. she’s just invisible to yellow wards. in fact change it’s name to move silently.

does it remove her going through the jungle freely? no, not at all. in fact it welcomes the fact that she’ll be the only champion able to do that, but it will remove the almost worthless stealth bubble she currently has, and hopefully appease the whinny fanboy gods.

Once this fix takes effect Riot can revert her Q back to at least half it’s old casting speed. Remove the mana cost on her W, and give her R a cool down that makes it worth having. hell, even remove the shield from it, but make it at least last 2.5 sec instead of the 1 sec it seems to currently go for.

This my friend might actually fix Evelynn, and bring her back in line with other champions in a way that will ease "the Walking Dead's" Negan level nerf batting she's received since she was first released.

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