Swain should join yorick in the "no fun allowd" corner

Gubaguy··5 votes·634 views

Seriously, he should. His kit is jsut intolerable to deal with in lane, i have not seen a single champion in this game do well agasint him in lane, he always has free reign to farm and poke, and harass with 0 repercussions and no threat to him at any point so long as he can ult.

Heres a few of the things he can do in lane:

  1. Sustain forever as long as he has mana (like yorick)
  2. harass without ever taking aggro from minions with over time damage that jsut follows youa roudn no matetr where you go EVEN if you become untargetable (similar to yorick)
  3. Has an ult that makes him ungodly tanky and heals him for all of the damage in the world (again, similar to yorck)
  4. Can be as aggressive or passive as he wants becuase if you attempt to dive him he can ult and screw you over any any time (like yorick...)

while he lacks any reliable way to kill his opponents, again like yorick, his impossibly annoying kit lets him just sit there KNOWWING you cant hurt him, and the worst part is according to what ive read he got one little nerf, then NOTHING but buffs since his release... i suppose the issue is that not enough peopel play him for this to be an issue, but honestly, how many people play yorick? I almsot NEVER see him, and when i do its ALWAYS in ARAM. but swain pops up every few games, and has been getting mroe and more popular simply becuase his laning phase it too safe and oppresive, similar to how yorick is, which is what got him removed form rotation. So why is swain allowd to stay but yorick not?

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Big Lincoln2 votes

because he's actually garbage at farming and if you push him to the tower and deny him enough cs or set him behind even once he's gonna be useless for a long time

boo hoo swain is a lane bully who stomps if you let him get fed off you. he has absolutely no means to counterpush and limited means to come back when set behind

Gubaguy1 votes

you mean like yorick? because ive fallen behind with yorick and the enemy toplaner jsut kept pressuring nonstop all agme and i had no means to get back into the game, and my tema woudlnt help becuase they were tryign to deal with the rest of his team.

Big Lincoln1 votes

yorick isn't piss awful at farming though, and he offers utility to his team by means of ghosting his ADC

if all else fails yorick's hardly a weak splitpusher and can farm himself back into the game a little easier

Catastrop2 votes

He has zero farm potential. His AA frame is awkward and messes up last hitting rather easily. Really, you should have him pushed to tower most of time unless you're playing a champion just as inept in wave clear as he is. item 3165 summoner 14 and any sort of mobility are your best friends when you're up against Swain. Don't try to 1v1 him,especially if a minion wave is nearby, you're just committing suicide. He excels at locking down one target but aside from R he really has no way to deal with multiple people ganging up on him...unless they're melee, then he can just W you all if you're clustered(which you shouldn't be).

Zoomer Darius2 votes

Keep in mind, his Q isn't massive upfront damage, it can be avoided by walking out of it if he doesn't walk right into you to place it. He can't CS for shit if he's under tower, and Vlad can actually beat him if he plays safely. Vlad just needs to stay away, farm up and then he'll outscale him. Most all in/burst-y champions can put a dent in him, and silences/stuns makes his mana bleed. Yes he's annoying to fight as a melee, yes he's a pain to fight as Vlad. However, most melees have a stronger all in than him if they really go at it, especially with ignite. Swain's also very susceptible to ganks and grievous wounds, which will ruin his day. Hell, counter jungle the enemy blue buff just for the hell of it. Pick HEAVY burst champions or siege champions like Syndra, Veigar, Anivia, Ziggs, Xerath, Viktor, Riven. I could make a list, but that should give you at least an idea.

Enosetc1 votes

meddler (or someone at riot) believes that swain could become oppressive if the right meta came around, so he's definitely on their radar

Gubaguy1 votes

You mean like vayne? or riven? because those champs are also highly oppresive, despite what everyone says, and rito has been doing nothign abotu them.

GrReaper961 votes

Because as long as item 3165 or summoner 14 exist and assuming u know how to dodge his W swain is fairly easy to snowball and kill.

Gubaguy1 votes

great, ill jsut give up an escape tool OR a way to get back into lane after hes finished shitting on me for the slimmest chance to actually kill him with ignite, and thats if im a mage, what if im a melee champ, or vlad? Hell i went toplane with a ranged champ to try and kill him and couldnt, the lowest he got all game, even after jungle ganks was about 30% of his HP, and that was BEFORE he got a rod of ages and some spellvamp. i never even TOUCHED him after that, when i got into the maximum range i coudl to farm he would walk up and hit me with his Q or E, both point and click massive damage over time abilities, in ONE HIT i woudl lose 40% of my HP... so please explain how to beat him, im all ears.

A Miss Fortune1 votes

I'm surprised Swain is never played, he has access to hard, AoE CC that's ridiculously easy to hit, mostly point and click damage that also gets amplified by another form of point and click damage, and his ult/passive is pretty much a free Kayle/Zilean ult combined. "You thought he was gonna die? Haha funny.". Swain with a Seraph's and Will of the Ancients is the most cancerous thing you will ever see.

I think Swain by all means is viable, and he should be played. Great early game laning ability, great mid game teamfighting, and late game he's immortal in his ultimate form. I however am also happy he isn't played because of how unfun he is. My sister plays Top/Mid lane a lot and she's always questioning why champions like Swain are never played, even when they're hard counters to really common champions. Imagine if Swain had the slightest amount of mobility.

Gubaguy1 votes

The sad fact is you can jsut BUY mobility on him, im not sure what exactly swain needs but theres at least 3 AP items that not only enhance AP and offer utility but ALSO give passive movespeed buffs, one of them even gives a slow that jsut chases down the nearest 2 targets, that with his W, i might as well jsut AFK because hes going to take longer to get fed.

Matezoide1 votes

Is this a troll thread?

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