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Can we talk abotu how useless blinds are?

Gubaguy··39 votes·3,738 views

The entire mechanic is kinda worthless at the moment, no blidn i know of in game lasts more then 2 seconds, and almsot all ADC's can jsut dash or use an ability during that time, and the few champions who DO heavily rely on autos typically dont care if they are blinded for 1-2 seconds. And not only that, but SOME, but not all, auto based abilities ignore the rules of blind anyways. for example, nasus's Q half ignore blind as his Q is consumed, but no damage is dealt. meanwhile vaynes Q DOES do the damage is suppsoed to do, compeltley ignoring the blind.

I think the "blind" mechanic shoudl be reworked into somethign more along the lines of anythign that requires a target will "miss" for the duration, since you have ot aim, and being blind means you cant see. Meanwhile skillshots woudl still hit since they are essencially being thrown out in a general diretion without being targeted at anything specific. Seems kinda pointless to have a mechanic that only stops one specific type of damage in game that very few champions actually HAVE to rely on anymore.

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Slamurai Jack16 votes

You think making someone do no auto damage for 2 seconds is useless?

10110011100025 votes

When auto-attack modifiers like Vayne's Tumble deal damage despite being blinded, good luck arguing that blind is absolutely useful in cases it should be.

mikemcparty1 votes

Against a tryndamere? Or a garen? Blind is HUGE

AbusiveEmu13 votes

Garen will just spin. He gives 0 fucks. With Trynd he may be blinded for 2 seconds but he not only has a spin that would still do damage but his crits means that you only live for 2 seconds more. the fight that would have been over in 2 seconds now is over in 4.

Ariel the Cruel6 votes

Lets look at who has blinds: Teemo: Wants those 2 extra seconds to run the F away. Quinn: Wants those 2 seconds so she can burst him without becoming chicken dinner by way of back-to-back crits (At level 6).

Horrific Greed1 votes

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Garen will just spin. He gives 0 fucks. With Trynd he may be blinded for 2 seconds but he not only has a spin that would still do damage but his crits means that you only live for 2 seconds more. the fight that would have been over in 2 seconds now is over in 4.

Garen gives half a fuck, he needs his op silence for maximum enemy tilt

Koldheartedjsp7 votes

in the past rito stated that they can't make blinds that good, because then they're just way too good

i mean think about it

if you could incompacitate any champion for 3 seconds that'd be broken. It's exactly why they nerfed the taunt/fear on ramass and fiddle

Gubaguy1 votes

We are tlakign about a skill that currently does nothing, at all, to 99% of the champions in game, and the 1% it DOES hurt it only hurts for about 2 autos, which i will remind you again, can be easily ignored by using an ability during that time. so whats the harm of letting you miss 1 targeted ability? its no worse then spellshielding an ability, or using a heal mid combat, or vayne in general.

Koldheartedjsp3 votes

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We are tlakign about a skill that currently does nothing, at all, to 99% of the champions in game, and the 1% it DOES hurt it only hurts for about 2 autos, which i will remind you again, can be easily ignored by using an ability during that time. so whats the harm of letting you miss 1 targeted ability? its no worse then spellshielding an ability, or using a heal mid combat, or vayne in general.

again, think about if it were actually really good. If it's good, it's really fucking good. Seeing all your abilities miss for 2 seconds would absolutely suck to the average player. Another reason rito doesn't want blind to be good is it feels horrible for the person it's used on when it works. Think of how tryndamere, nasus, and a bunch of others feel when blinds used on them. Not good. Think of when you miss the cannon minion because teemo used his blind on you before you could auto it.

All of these situations "feel horrible for the player." Rito simply doesn't want the current blind mechanic to be good.

Maybe they've changed their opinion since/will one day, but for now it doesn't appear so with the teemo castration and all

and teemos blind lasts for 2.5 seconds at max rank

Jungle Lux God3 votes

Think of how a large majority of mages, assassins, tanks, supports, etc. feel when silence is used on them.

Bruisers that get hit hard by blinds can at least either kite out the duration of the blind, use other abilities during the blind, or tank long enough to survive the enemy team's damage to get more auto attacks in before they die, but silence means you can't even do shit during it. Why should blinds feel any less horrible for the player than silences do?

Koldheartedjsp2 votes

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Think of how a large majority of mages, assassins, tanks, supports, etc. feel when silence is used on them.

Bruisers that get hit hard by blinds can at least either kite out the duration of the blind, use other abilities during the blind, or tank long enough to survive the enemy team's damage to get more auto attacks in before they die, but silence means you can't even do shit during it. Why should blinds feel any less horrible for the player than silences do?

and they have been slowly phasing silences out of the game.

Jungle Lux God1 votes

Only targetted silences. Kassadin's, LeBlanc's, and Talon's targetted silences were all removed because they were genuinely unhealthy for the game, and Viktor's silence technically wasn't too far off (although he got some sweet buffs to compensate at the time).

We had more silences phased out of the game because those silences were unhealthy, but we still have more than twice as many silences as we have blinds.

Jungle Lux God1 votes

We already have champions who can incapacitate some champions for 3 seconds in Morgana andMalzahar. I think that this kind of change to blinds would not incapacitate champions nearly as hard as even a silence or snare for half that duration would, let alone a harder form of CC like a stun, knockup, etc.

Smefanye5 votes

The thing with those two however is that even if Morgana binds you, you can still take action and relies on your team following up, and Malzahar's ult essentially cc's him as well, so that's a game of which team jumps on who first. A blind however would take an ad carry and even some ad casters out of fights completely for a duration with little cost, similar to how silences take mages and most assassins out of fights completely for a duration.

Jungle Lux God1 votes

I'm not talking about Malzahar's ultimate here. I'm talking about Malzahar's 3 second silence, which will take anyone that isn't an ADC out of a fight almost completely for a duration with, again, with little cost.

Morgana's 3 second snare will also take a large majority of melee champions out of a fight with, once again, little cost.

There's really no comparison.

Narasimha2 votes

They're also both fairly slow moving skill shots, and Malz's Q especially has a noticeable delay. You can't dodge a Teemo blind.

Smefanye3 votes

The issue with blinds is the same issue with say Poppy, any buffs or changes could result in it becoming incredibly overbearing. Right now the only 2 champs who have it are Quinn and Teemo; Teemo's blind is decently useful as it's 2.5 seconds and targeted, while Quinns is shorter and a skillshot but also aoe. Teemo needs it for lane bullying and since he's shit in 1v1's unless super ahead, while Quinn needs it to stand toe to toe with bruisers while splitpushing. If blinds became more common/reliable then ad champions would have a hell of a time since even ad casters weave autos in here and there.

DrCyanide2 votes

Blind it to Auto Attackers what Silence is to Spell Casters.

For Silences we have Fiddlesticks Garen Malzahar Blitzcrank Soraka Chogath

For Blinds we have Teemo Quinn (an argument could possibly be made for Amumu ult, as it prevents auto attacks).

Silence arguably more detrimental to other types of champions, as it stops them from using summoners, items, or escape abilities even if you can still deal damage, while most Mages won't stick around to auto you while silenced. Yet they're not throwing in more of the weaker type of CC?

NapaIm2 votes

I would like to see Blind function like the Graves Smoke Screen, killing off your vision radius.

ARequestOfDeath2 votes

you forgot the king of the killing off your vision radius

Nocturne : darknessss.

Ace Access 2 votes

the queen of partial self blinding

RekSai "growl"

Ace Access 2 votes

Teemo

Hayaishi22 votes

Why does this even have upvotes? Massive shit post.

Gubaguy1 votes

Maybe because its a reasonable request that blinds DO something other then be slightly augmented pokeing abilities that are only reliable and useful 1% of the time?

Lugg1 votes

Tell that too Ashe Caitlyn Graves Jax Jinx Lucian MasterYi Olaf Tristana Tryndamere Twitch Vayne Warwick XinZhao

Gubaguy1 votes

every single one of those champs have a way to completely ignore blinds in every situation.

Lugg1 votes

Please, do tell.

Conturbatio1 votes

You forgot Fiora You can only use Q & W to attack/proc vitals, no slows, no critical strikes, little to no healing/movement speed, can't proc ult, 80% of damage negated.

Gubaguy1 votes

Ashe W or R Caitlyn Q or E or R, and even W in some rare cases if you dont move after blinding Graves Q, E to dash out and set up to counter attack, R to jsut kill you outright, W to blind you back in a more powerful way Jax Q or E, or both because then hes sitting on your face laughing at you Jinx Q still does AOE damage, W puts you out of range, E stops you from reachign her, and R to kill you Lucian Q to harass you, W to escape and harass, E to escape or re-engage, or R, because blind doesnt sotp that. Olaf Q to hurt you, E to hurt you more, R to ignore your blind compeltely Tristana W to set up, E to engage or disengage, R to kill you or disengage Tryndamere Spin to win Twitch W, E... VayneAs stated, jher Q STILL procs despite being an auto, and E to knock you back and R means she can go invisible and set up to kill you during the blind Warwick R, Q... XinZhao E to dash into you, and his passive heal will still proc bnecause its every 3 autos, not every 3 hits, and of course his ult MasterYi Q, Q, Q, QQQQQQQQQQQQQQQ...

Lugg1 votes

If I get a champ to ult because I blinded them, that is a mega win every time. Plus, blinds are best early game. You can make them OOM really quick that way. If a Jax, Olaf, Vaye, Xin, or Trynd tries to attack while blinded, I will take that free kill every time. Yi can Q once and then he dies since he can't AA to lower the CD.

DeadPuddle1 votes

ahahahahah, are you trolling? it shuts down auto attackers for a few seconds, its amazing

Gubaguy1 votes

k, garen can still silence, and will spin out the duration, darius can slow and spin out the duration, vayne can still use her Q despite being an auto based ability as well as her E, jinx can W or E, trynd can spin, jax can dodge, no real in game mage attacks with autos, i mean i could go on all day listing each and every single champ and how blind does NOTHING to stop them form killing you by not being able to auto once or twice, and how unreliable blinding is in general.

DeadPuddle1 votes

Your listing a load of none auto attack abilitys.

Blind is not used for any of these things.

You use blind to stop things like normal auto's on a high attack speed champ like yasuo, yi, fiora, gnar and any ADC, it also blocks on hit effects from auto's and activated next auto abilitys like nasus Q, rengar Q, shivana Q.

Its main strength later is stopping all of the above in teamfights. Its main strength early is winning trades in lane where you otherwise wouldn't.

Exceptions to blinds rule are put in purposefully like vayne's Q for example because riot see it as too strong in these cases.

Gubaguy1 votes

the point is that blinds dont DO anything, ALL champions have abilities they can use to outlast blind effects so they jsut dont attack for 2 seconds, and vaynes Q CLEALRy states "next auto" same with nasus's Q, and garens Q, etc. So if i cant even disbale AUTO BASED ABILITIES whats the point? oh no, ashe cant auto me once in a fight, instead she will continue to damage me, not even slowwed down by just pressing W, or vayne will stun me while she recovers, thigns they ALREADY DO IN FIGHTS. blinds do NOTHIGN of benefit, at all, i can still be hit and targeted by auto based abilities or abilities that would require that you be abel to see me to hit me, rendering the entire purpose of blind useless.

And im not even sayign that without having tried using blinds, teemo was one of the first champs i bought, and i playe dhim quite frequently vs ADC champs, and yeah i won lane hard, but once laning ended i was done, i woudl blind the ADc only to be stunned in response and then we were both back to autoing each other, i played quinn vs vayne and landed a full combo of Q+mark+auto+E+auto, then vayne recovered form the blind and instakilled me with botrk and her ability to stun jsut by aiming at pebble in the river.

the fact is blinds do little to nothing at any stage of the game, they need to be made to prevent targeted abilities in the same way silences prevent ALL abilities, or snares prevent ANY movement... blinds should be ANY targeting reuirement denied.

DeadPuddle1 votes

the point is that blinds dont DO anything

http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Blind#Blind

Exceptions to blinds rule are put in purposefully like vayne's Q for example because riot see it as too strong in these cases.

Can you read?

Gubaguy1 votes

thanks for proving my point, champs you WNAT to blind ignore it with auto attack abilities, making it completley useless.

DeadPuddle1 votes

yep, your definitely american

Fiveofswords1 votes

well if blinds arent overpowered enough for you then dont use champs with blind. this complaint is a little silly. its like saying 'when i stun someone with leona, i cant kill them in the duration of the stun. i tihnk it would be better if leonas q stunned the person for 30 seconds, which might be long enough for me to kill them'

Gubaguy1 votes

thats nto the compliant at all... the complaint is that they do NOTHING, every single champion has an ability that negates the blinding effect in some way be is a targeted ability, skillshot, escape, or a way to kill you outright, all without ever using an AA, very few champs in gam eeven rely on AAing anymore, and even the ones that do have a way to ignore it for the 2 seconds its in effect. If i BLIND someone they shouldnt be abel to target me with ANYTHING for the duration, THEY ARE BLIND. even auto heavy champs ignore blinds 99% of the time because it doesnt stop them from completley destroying you anyways.

Fiveofswords1 votes

i assure you they dont do nothing. when teemo blinds me as adc i find it very annoying.

Gubaguy1 votes

oh well if YOU find them annoying i guess theres nothing to be mad about becuase YOU, ONE PERSON, find them ANNOYING, despite this thread being as popular as it is, and all the people who agree blinds dont do anythign anymore, we are all wrong becuase YOU find them annoying.

Fiveofswords1 votes

um no...we are back to the start then. most champs dont have a blind at all. If you think blind is nothing, then dont pick the champs (teemo/quinn) that use blind. Obviously blind does SOMETHING...i promise that if you blind the adc, and they try to auto attack something, they just get a 'miss'. Obviously you could make blind do more...liek say make it a stun. THen i guess you would need to nerf teemo/quinn. Or you could jsut use one of the countless champs with a stun.

Steel Blossom1 votes

Blind rapes a bunch of top laners. Blind is cancer enough already, leave it be. You want it to become another Fiora/Morde?

Gubaguy1 votes

how do you figure? trynd spins and gets set up to kill you, jax jsut leaps and stuns you during the blind, gnar leaps and sets up to kill you when it fades, fiora cna STILL proc those weak points with abilities, or jsut parry it away anyways, darius can spin to win, garen can spin to win, swain just does swainy thiings and never autos anyone anyways, jayce doesnt care abotu autos when he can poke you from tower to tower... i coudl go on ALL DAY baout how useless blind is compared to every other CC effect out there.

Steel Blossom1 votes

Trynd spins up to kill you and you blind him while autoing him and running away. Easy as that. He will lose so much health before he can actually start dealing damage to you. Jax, in my humble opinion, is fucking cancer 1v1, so I'll def give you that. However, Garen and Darius you should have no problem kiting as a Quinn or Teemo, you just have to know the game a bit better. Kiting takes skill, you can't just have reliable CC and mobility and ranged DPS, that would make the game literally impossible for melees.

Gubaguy1 votes

Vayne Did someone say reliable CC and mobility? Jinx haha, i know right? Caitlyn Seems like someones not paying attention... Kalista agreed Varus >.> Tristana Is that a rocket in your pocket?

Steel Blossom1 votes

Note how most of thier CCs are not actually reliable--some are terrain dependent, some are skillshots. The only thing that is actually reliable is Trist ult, and imo Trist will forever be the most broken shit in this game right next to Vayne. Also, Varus doesn't even have mobility, why add him to the mix???

Gubaguy1 votes

first of all, vayne is HIGHLY reliable in terms of CC in that her E will always put you into a safe place since they are now out of their range of hitting you, and if you are running they wont EVER catch you with how many escapes vayne has, second cait traps are bugged in such a way that they can snare you without actually touching you, go on, try it, place a tracp on the egde of a bush and if they walk near it they will become stunned and never see the trap, or you.

and i dunno why i added varus... could be his ult that has the potential to snare EVERYONE if they dont haul ass.

Out of the 6 i listed (and i wanted ot list more but cant be arsed) only jinx's CC is unreliable, and its only unreliable if you arent familiar with the setup time on them.

Steel Blossom1 votes

Yeah first you can't expect Cait's traps to be reliable disengages. Second, try condemning a Udyr or a Poppy away, they'll just catch right back up with their 600 movement speed. And Varus doesn't have any form of mobility at all. As I said, you can't just have reliable CC and mobility and ranged DPS together. Varus doesn't have any form of mobilty.

DrProfVibeCheck1 votes

You know, I have a cool idea. What if blinds made it so that your vision is greatly reduced. I don't know exactly what unit range would be "balanced", but think about it. You're BLINDED. Your EYES stop WORKING for a small amount of time, but right now, you can still see stuff. Also, since your vision is reduced, you can't see the guy you have to point and click auto.

.....I realize this is like having a Nocturne Ult every 6 or so seconds. But it still seems like a good idea.

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