Riot has made the game to be a burst or be bursted scenario

Malzahar is only strong due to his point and click "don't fcking move until my team kills you" button.

He only has a 48.18% win rate according to op.gg http://na.op.gg/champion/malzahar/statistics/mid but he seems far stronger to me than that. He just constantly shoves and then can roam or prevent roams/ganks on bot just with his ult. Don't even need to get a kill, just stop them from wrecking bot lane every time cause you almost never lose on cs.

Yeah, then use your ult to get a pick else where, not everyone will build that and the adc isn't always the correct target of your ult.

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The moment Azir and Ryze gets somewhat viable they instantly get nerfed. Aside from pro play, they were never a problem is solo q, especially in lower elo where people have no idea how to play them.

Orianna and TF are always strong due to the nature of their kit.

Taliyah has like 5 mains so who cares?

Xerath is meta now because of arcane comet/ scorch.

Vladimir is pretty balanced, at least I haven't seen anyone complain about him in a while.

I agree with everything there apart from Vlad. Vlad is currently sporting an insane banrate throughout all servers and ranks (although mainly Korea) and I do think there are good reasons for that.

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all feel underperforming and shit to play.

Before you start arguing that some of them still do damage when properly played (duh mains know how to play with any champs). They are supposed to be AP CARRY. ADC is not the only carry class in the game.

"In terms of now what do you call Azir, Taliyah, Vladimir, Malzahar, Orianna and Ryze? They're mages. Same to Syndra, Cass, Veigar, Xerath, Zoe (somehow), Anivia and Twisted Fate. All of these champions have been amazing for ages (Zoe since release OmegaLUL)."

Syndra is garbage unskilled OP unnerfed pile of crap same with Orianna. Cass cant say much i never play her Veigar is good yes Xerath no just no, pros might play him well anything below diamond is trash Anivia I never see anyone playing her but sure might be good Twisted Fate the bronze and the Challenger choice. Every time I see a tf is a bronze feeder, but according to legends Challengers are gods with him. Zoe is bs I agree but she is getting nerfed each patch. Vlad is meh. (and he is more of a tank/juggernaut then a mage) Ryze is bad Taliyah never see her either Malzahar is balanced in a bad way. He makes everyone suffer except the ADC and the enemy Mage.

Funny thing is people spammed the boards for the past 6-8 months that mages are garbage tier and Riot finally fixing the mage items. You did not have reason to bitch about mages thus far , you will have when the next patch hits live.

Syndra's fine, she's just not broken anymore. Cass is pretty niche. Veigar is good (glad we can agree). Xerath is fine in all ranks higher than Silver. Anivia's always been good. Yeah, I can agree with that TF point. Zoe is bs (glad we can agree, again). Vlad is most certainly not "meh", there's a reason why he's one of the most banned champs. Ryze is not bad. Taliyah is really good now. Malzahar makes everyone suffer tbh.

Since you didn't address Azir I will, he's broken right now, and he's been broken ever since his "rework" hit.

Yep, I'm ready for the patch which utterly breaks mages in every single way xd

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all feel underperforming and shit to play.

Before you start arguing that some of them still do damage when properly played (duh mains know how to play with any champs). They are supposed to be AP CARRY. ADC is not the only carry class in the game.

"In terms of now what do you call Azir, Taliyah, Vladimir, Malzahar, Orianna and Ryze? They're mages. Same to Syndra, Cass, Veigar, Xerath, Zoe (somehow), Anivia and Twisted Fate. All of these champions have been amazing for ages (Zoe since release OmegaLUL)."

Syndra is garbage unskilled OP unnerfed pile of crap same with Orianna. Cass cant say much i never play her Veigar is good yes Xerath no just no, pros might play him well anything below diamond is trash Anivia I never see anyone playing her but sure might be good Twisted Fate the bronze and the Challenger choice. Every time I see a tf is a bronze feeder, but according to legends Challengers are gods with him. Zoe is bs I agree but she is getting nerfed each patch. Vlad is meh. (and he is more of a tank/juggernaut then a mage) Ryze is bad Taliyah never see her either Malzahar is balanced in a bad way. He makes everyone suffer except the ADC and the enemy Mage.

Funny thing is people spammed the boards for the past 6-8 months that mages are garbage tier and Riot finally fixing the mage items. You did not have reason to bitch about mages thus far , you will have when the next patch hits live.

Swain is more viable in toplane. He's not great mid.

I wish I saw more of Taliyah. She takes too much effort for most people.

I love playing TF, but unless you're some kind of god, it's all you can do to just not feed.

I'm glad no one plays Anivia.

Vlad is also better toplane than mid.

Viktor is actually unplayable with all the MS and mobility in the game now.

But yeah, mages suck. Still. They have for a while now.

You only need mages rn to make a tank less effective, and for CC.

100% agree more or less- like am not persuaded the inev item rework fixes them, but we only can wait- I mean shit I miss gragas in the jg, and like 1/2 of these champs in the Midlane.

But unlike ADC's and Assassins Mages only get one or maybe 2 patches to be busted before they're garbage. Hell thay are definently fading from everywhere, since all of the JG AP champs except sej/zac who honestly are more tanks than AP threats and Eve are fucking awful, and most mages not named Ori or Zoe are not strong.

Legit part of the problem is other classes taking the sorcery runes so those got gutted, plus all of the AP adjustments being completely shit in both creativity AND usefulness in terms of damage.

But hey, i'm a one-trick heimer main who def is sad because his sorry ass is gonna keep dropping in WR and Riot isn't gonna fix him cause they value the bitchy people who don't know how to play vs. him more. So It'll work out for the rest of the list except him, eventually.

But yeah Mages don't get anything worth a damn and only exist rn so that Rammus/Malphite/tanks in general just don't stack 400 armor and fuck the entire team (and sometimes that also doesn't matter, which is another point when Mercs + Maw/Spirit Visage is usually sufficient for 2/3+ AP threats unless fed)

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Lol mages, any of these in particular, are trash tier, they are good only in competitive because of their team utility -> they are fking stun bots for their ADCs (generalized, you need to apply for each of them - Taliyah's wall, Vlad's dmg amp, ...) and in solo Q there are good only those who are safe as fuck champions, read Malzahar and Anivia and Ryze was with his R-Zhonya's combo. Or if their sustained damage is stupidly high in case of Cass, Ryze, Vlad, Azir - wait, when was Cass played again?

And where the hell did you pull Xerath from?

I pulled Xerath from the hat of the new runes being really good on him.