swain does not feel rewarding/good to play

JarodDempsey··2 votes·1,035 views

As a mage who has historically thrived amongst a wave of minions when fighting enemies it is pretty baffling that his primary dps skill is effectively useless when fighting enemy champions who are standing behind the wave. The range or passthrough or dps needs to be augmented to address this skill's failing. W is fine but has limited efficacy against the majority of champs due to their mobility. Even catching with e does not guarantee a w land, and since w is so central to the damage on r, its cooldown seems very excessive in conjunction with the aforementioned unreliability. The low ehp and long cast time prevents r from being useful as a defensive measure which makes it confusing as to why the dot is so poor, the range is so low, and the burst damage is mediocre and heavily delayed. Overall I would say good mechanics, bad implementation. With the lack of proposed changes to shift the meta away from its high damage state (which is what i was hoping would happen with a new season but unfortunately it looks like riot is going to let the dps meta fest unforeseeably long probably until the the game runs itself into the ground which at this rate wont be long). I would really like to see some changes to swain since the rework really did not improve his playability.

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xDelightifyx3 votes

I was sad when they said they would Rework swain. The tday the rework dropped, my almighty commander died. And so did my will to play him.

ZT Xperimentor1 votes

Likewise, I miss being able to do more than a 1-2 punch.

Tahminatrix 1 votes

Hes more late game oriented now I think, I turned around a group fight as swain after 2 of my teammates died and the rest were running while while 4 people on the enemy team (I killed one) were focusing me and I was literally outhealing all of their damage.

But ya, laning as him really isn't fun.

xDelightifyx2 votes

Hes more late game oriented now I think

Did u ever play Ap Swain before his rework? U were literally Able to 1 v 5 bevause your ultimate healed so damn much, if u hit 5 ppl with it. But the thing was that it wast unfair, cause of your immobility.

JarodDempsey2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Super Cow Swag,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=WyftwFc1,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-11-25T06:32:34.652+0000)

Hes more late game oriented now I think, I turned around a group fight as swain after 2 of my teammates died and the rest were running while while 4 people on the enemy team (I killed one) were focusing me and I was literally outhealing all of their damage.

But ya, laning as him really isn't fun.

in my experience his sustain is so poor that by late game hes easily taken care of with tanks or adcs

Tahminatrix 1 votes

item 3047 item 3110 item 3007 item 3065 item 3089

Last item I pick between item 3143, if enemy uses crit/or autos, another item 3110 if enemy team is primarily ad but no crit or true damage. item 3742 if true damage

if enemy team has alittle bit extra magic dmg I decide between item 3194 and item 3001

If enemy team is doing alittle bit too much of both I get item 3146 and play alittle safer until a damage threat is killed.

Runes Ravenous hunter and transcendence are your BEST friends.

But this is a completely late game drain tank oriented build and its only functional after 3rd item but the power spike for each item afterwards feels very rewarding.

JarodDempsey1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Super Cow Swag,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=WyftwFc1,comment-id=000000010000,timestamp=2018-11-25T08:06:08.843+0000)

item 3047 item 3110 item 3007 item 3065 item 3089

Last item I pick between item 3143, if enemy uses crit/or autos, another item 3110 if enemy team is primarily ad but no crit or true damage. item 3742 if true damage

if enemy team has alittle bit extra magic dmg I decide between item 3194 and item 3001

If enemy team is doing alittle bit too much of both I get item 3146 and play alittle safer until a damage threat is killed.

Runes Ravenous hunter and transcendence are your BEST friends.

But this is a completely late game drain tank oriented build and its only functional after arch angels but the power spike for each item afterwards feels very rewarding.

this basically turns him into a tank with a bit of dot, a far cry from his battle mage class/history

Tahminatrix 1 votes

10% cdr from transcendence, 10% from scaling cdr stat rune thing.

20% from item 3003

We are now at 40%

item 3110 gives 20% cdr, that's 40 ap

400 mana, 3% of 400 is 12.

52 ap from frozen heart.

You can think about what that means for the rest of the build, hes not gonna burst someone but hes definitely a bruiser and not a tank.

JarodDempsey2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Super Cow Swag,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=WyftwFc1,comment-id=00000001000000000000,timestamp=2018-11-25T08:17:15.959+0000)

10% cdr from transcendence, 10% from scaling cdr stat rune thing.

20% from item 3003

We are now at 40%

item 3110 gives 20% cdr, that's 40 ap

400 mana, 3% of 400 is 12.

52 ap from frozen heart.

You can think about what that means for the rest of the build, hes not gonna burst someone but hes definitely a bruiser and not a tank.

That is inconsequential. The only skill he has with a good ap ratio is w which can literally be walked out of more often than not once people get boots of speed.

5050BS1 votes

I wish I he had his old kit with his new look...... I miss Drain Tanking..

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