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"evidently we have a champion named ivern"

JarodDempsey··18 votes·11,181 views

I love ivern I do and props to the people that play him despite his flaws. That skin guy (hopefully) joked about ivern due to his low playrate but riot needs to pay more attention to him for that reason. Ivern is one of the most niche champions and he usually falls off heavily if he even gets anywhere at all. He has a single target linear root that is blocked by minions and a 2 second single target shield. His w is quite niche for giving him a bit of extra damage and range in an area and is about as effective (useless) at subterfuge as neekos w. Daisy is constantly a disappointment.

I propose to make ivern more popular:

1: add some kind of regen mechanic to w like it regens some health over time while allies stand in it with an ap ratio. I'm thinking like sona level heal output (distributed over time ofc) which is fair considering allies would have to stand in it and it doesnt grant a shield or have any burst heal potential.

2: Give daisy a slight delay and then a knock similar to ori's ult but in reverse (and no damage). This will at least give his ult some semblance of use in teamfights rather than using her and then waiting what seems like forever for an enemy to let her knock them up with her abysmal range.

3: Give daisy the ability to solo a turret. Give her a durability buff against turrets and the ability to be assigned to one (so she doesnt port to ivern if he leaves range). So long as the enemy minion wave or any any champions dont attack her she should be able to solo a turret. This would give ivern utility similar to yorick (but trading attack range for durability).

27 Comments

Infernape7 votes

Just give Daisy her regen back tbh.

And fix her AI. She's pretty shitty to use.

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Just give Daisy her regen back tbh.

And fix her AI. She's pretty shitty to use.

Ps. Daisy is also immune to the healing from Redemption.

Unrelated Pps. Ivern's passive disables the use of Ghost Poro.

AnonymousPoro5 votes

I like the second suggestion especially. Just a knockback/stun when Daisy lands. Or maybe have a notification on when his buffs are available to grab. I cannot tell you how many times teammates have missed a free blue or red buff because they aren't looking at their map.

KoKoboto3 votes

I hate his thematic, visuals, story, and everything about his character. I love his gameplay. A really nice change to Ivern would be to fix his fucking ultimate THAT LITERALLY LAGS AND TELEPORTS ACROSS THE SCREEN. Turn off the automatically attack targets mechanic. Another buff would be to have its stats improved because it's pretty damn useless in most situations as it dies a bit too fast.

I feel one of the bigger reasons he isn't played is because he's a fucking lanky ass tree pervert. I find his gameplay so cool but I just hate how he looks, can't bring myself to play him. Also his always positive personality in game is fucking annoying to me. I hate people like that in real life.

Thelittlewarlord5 votes

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Also his always positive personality in game is fucking annoying to me. I hate people like that in real life.

That's called envy. Also those people probably aren't as happy on the inside and most likely go through way tougher things that you can imagine. Give them a break lol.

KoKoboto1 votes

Umm no I genuinely hate them. It's also moronic for you to try and tag anonymous people over the internet with labels when you don't know them at all in person.

Syrile2 votes

I loved that Skin video. That guy is hilarious!

SpyKayle2 votes

One of my friends played Ivern adc and managed to get insanely fed. God bless Ivern.

FlameHalbrdOkido1 votes

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One of my friends played Ivern adc and managed to get insanely fed. God bless Ivern.

  1. i need to see this. 2) i need to friend them so I can see it on a regular basis as their team mate

I dont agree with some of the ult changes suggested tho. having a pet that can solo a tower is Yoricks thing so let it be yoricks thing. I think what they need to do is really go HAM on her ability to tank, if she's a giant boulder then let her act like one, she should have a lot of HP and maybe even let the shield scale with the targets HP so its duration and Shield value go up the higher the MAX HP of the target is. Thats should do what u want for the shield and Daisy

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  1. i need to see this. 2) i need to friend them so I can see it on a regular basis as their team mate

I dont agree with some of the ult changes suggested tho. having a pet that can solo a tower is Yoricks thing so let it be yoricks thing. I think what they need to do is really go HAM on her ability to tank, if she's a giant boulder then let her act like one, she should have a lot of HP and maybe even let the shield scale with the targets HP so its duration and Shield value go up the higher the MAX HP of the target is. Thats should do what u want for the shield and Daisy

She needs her armor doubled to make better use of Triggerseed's shield.

Ps. She can already solo towers at rank 3.

JarodDempsey1 votes

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She needs her armor doubled to make better use of Triggershield's healing.

Ps. She can already solo towers at rank 3.

what is this healing you speak of? I've never seen it in game and it's no where in his skill descriptions on the wiki. Also idk about that solo towers claim, every time ive seen her go against a tower she gets killed in a few hits unless i spam e.

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what is this healing you speak of? I've never seen it in game and it's no where in his skill descriptions on the wiki. Also idk about that solo towers claim, every time ive seen her go against a tower she gets killed in a few hits unless i spam e.

Oops. This is what I get for posting at 1 AM. I was referring to the shielding. Plz no hang and tar.

Also, rank 3 Daisy has 3750 HP. Towers have a max damage of 278 according to the wiki. As such it takes at least 14 tower shots to kill her assuming you have 0 AP.

JarodDempsey1 votes

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Oops. This is what I get for posting at 1 AM. I was referring to the shielding. Plz no hang and tar.

Also, rank 3 Daisy has 3750 HP. Towers have a max damage of 278 according to the wiki. As such it takes at least 14 tower shots to kill her assuming you have 0 AP.

towers damage also ramps up by 120% over time and they also triple their ehp if no other minions are around which gives them plenty of time to melt daisy

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towers damage also ramps up by 120% over time and they also triple their ehp if no other minions are around which gives them plenty of time to melt daisy

"Turrets gain 40% damage each time they strike a champion, up to 120% bonus damage."

The devil is in the details.

Also, a perfectly timed Triggershield can block up to two tower shots, and Ivern himself smacks towers pretty damn hard with Bushwhacker.

FlameHalbrdOkido1 votes

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She needs her armor doubled to make better use of Triggerseed's shield.

yeah that or increase the AP scaling 5% is so low I wonder why they did that when they have explicitly stated that Daisy is supposed to solve some of his issues? She cant do her job if she's unalive

Ps. She can already solo towers at rank 3. ok thats fine, but id say thats where the toe stepping should end. The idea of her being a massive hulking tank seems most fitting 1st and foremost. It would be cool if she benefited from the items that Ivern bought. Like if he bought Frozen mallet, then Daisy could benefit from the passive on AA's as well.

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yeah that or increase the AP scaling 5% is so low I wonder why they did that when they have explicitly stated that Daisy is supposed to solve some of his issues? She cant do her job if she's unalive

Oh gods yes. I don't know why Daisy's scaling is so all around awful. Especially to her survival stats.

ok thats fine, but id say thats where the toe stepping should end. The idea of her being a massive hulking tank seems most fitting 1st and foremost. It would be cool if she benefited from the items that Ivern bought. Like if he bought Frozen mallet, then Daisy could benefit from the passive on AA's as well.

Why would Ivern ever want to buy a Frozen Mallet..?

SpyKayle1 votes

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  1. i need to see this. 2) i need to friend them so I can see it on a regular basis as their team mate

I dont agree with some of the ult changes suggested tho. having a pet that can solo a tower is Yoricks thing so let it be yoricks thing. I think what they need to do is really go HAM on her ability to tank, if she's a giant boulder then let her act like one, she should have a lot of HP and maybe even let the shield scale with the targets HP so its duration and Shield value go up the higher the MAX HP of the target is. Thats should do what u want for the shield and Daisy

He's m7 on a lot of really bad or r%%%%%ed champs. Old nunu for example.

Brambleback2 votes

i propose to make Ivern more popular; no please. League needs more niche, we don't need Ivern to become Riven

ApollyonBainer1 votes

My buddy is basically an ivern main and hes won 8 ranked games so far this season on a champ that almost doesnt exist. Crazy

JarodDempsey1 votes

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My buddy is basically an ivern main and hes won 8 ranked games so far this season on a champ that almost doesnt exist. Crazy

idk maybe things have changed recently but last i checked (cant see now due to the season being so new) his pick rate was under 1% or under a half idre but few good people does not a good champion make. Plus his ult and w are just so unimpactful, even if he is doing well it's likely due to the meta at the time rather than the playability of his kit.

ApollyonBainer1 votes

I mean idk hit ult isnt that worthless. but hes just another support champ in a nother role. Lulu isnt noticeable unless she hit a great ult. Ivern is basically the same way

JarodDempsey1 votes

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I mean idk hit ult isnt that worthless. but hes just another support champ in a nother role. Lulu isnt noticeable unless she hit a great ult. Ivern is basically the same way

lulu and ivern both have a shield, they also both have a moderate range damage/cc skill. Lulu has polymorph which is one of the best cc's in the game and is also point and click, ivern has a bush. With that said, lulu's ult gives a huge instant survivability increase to a single target while also performing an aoe knock in a moderate area. What does daisy even do that could count as a "great ult" ?? ivern summons her then daisy hits a champion, then she hits them again like a second later, then another second after that she can do a small knockup which will only hit them if theyre even in range which they rarely are because the stacking takes so long and daisy is hugely visible. I just cant agree that ivern is "basically the same way" because his ult has so little use compared to lulu's.

shockprimex1 votes

lemme just say that a few games ago. I got rekt by one.

Stupafly1 votes

lol at your number 3.

Why should daisy become a herald as an ulti

JarodDempsey1 votes

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lol at your number 3.

Why should daisy become a herald as an ulti

it was just a suggestion, i recently did a post all about how bad daisy is and in there i mention how riot could really do anything with her bc shes such a blank slate

JeaneGreene1 votes

While I love these changes, they don’t fix what makes Ivern bad. If your enemy jungler is playing Khazix Kindred Shaco XinZhao etc you are gonna have a bad time. Anyone who can even remotely counterjungle dumpsters Ivern. He can’t contest scuttle without smite, his clears take too long without smite, he is completely dependent on smite early on. And even then, he scales into an enchanter-catcher hybrid; one of those (hint: enchanter) is awful due to the plethora of nerfs done to them.

JarodDempsey1 votes

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While I love these changes, they don’t fix what makes Ivern bad. If your enemy jungler is playing Khazix Kindred Shaco XinZhao etc you are gonna have a bad time. Anyone who can even remotely counterjungle dumpsters Ivern. He can’t contest scuttle without smite, his clears take too long without smite, he is completely dependent on smite early on. And even then, he scales into an enchanter-catcher hybrid; one of those (hint: enchanter) is awful due to the plethora of nerfs done to them.

idk i dont thinks it's the worst that some junglers ar vulnerable to counter jungle. Ivern's main issues for me is that half of his skills often have little to no impact.

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