Do I feel like I want to surrender in Aram vs Ziggs and Sona?

taleofsonata··2 votes·1,761 views

Our goal is not to completely shuffle the tier list, but simply to narrow the gap between the top and the bottom. Ziggs and Sona should still be strong picks, just not “makes you want to surrender when you’re matched up against them” strong! Here’s the full list of nerfs and buffs:

NERFS: Ashe: -5% damage dealt Illaoi: +5% damage taken Janna: +5% damage taken Jhin: -5% damage dealt Jinx: -5% damage dealt Kog’maw: -8% damage dealt Lux: -8% damage dealt Maokai: -8% damage dealt & +5% damage taken Miss Fortune: -5% damage dealt Nasus: -5% damage dealt Sion: +5% damage taken Sivir: -8% damage dealt Sona: -10% damage dealt & -25% healing done Teemo: -8% damage dealt Veigar: +5% damage taken Vel’Koz: -5% damage dealt Yorick: +8% damage taken (doesn’t apply to Maiden of the Mist) Ziggs: -15% damage dealt BUFFS: Akali: +12% damage dealt & -8% damage taken Bard: +8% damage dealt & -5% damage taken Evelynn: +12% damage dealt & -5% damage taken Hecarim: -10% damage taken Kindred: +10% damage dealt Khazix: -10% damage taken LeBlanc: +12% damage dealt Lee Sin: +8% damage dealt & -10% damage taken Nidalee: +15% damage dealt Nocturne: +5% damage dealt & -10% damage taken Rek’sai: +10% damage dealt & -10% damage taken Rengar: -10% damage taken Ryze: +8% damage dealt & -5% damage taken Sejuani: -10% damage taken Tryndamere: +10% damage dealt & -10% damage taken Warwick: -8% damage taken

No, I'd rather AFK at base vs Warmog + Spirit Visage. Like Seriously? Ziggs and Sona are squishy champions, champions that abuse Warmog + spirit visage stand stills for 5secs and get their whole hp back. I can kill them as an Assassin or Tank or a Diver. But I can't deal with something that walks up to me win the trades and goes back to sit under tower to get their health back and rinse and repeat.

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Infernape4 votes

Meanwhile Sona point and click pokes people out of existence while keeping her team at 100% because of how spammable her Q and W are.

There's a reason why Ziggs and Sona have 70%+ win rates in ARAM.

taleofsonata2 votes

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Meanwhile Sona point and click pokes people out of existence while keeping her team at 100% because of how spammable her Q and W are.

There's a reason why Ziggs and Sona have 70%+ win rates in ARAM.

It's Aram, its not meant to be balanced you play it for fun. You don't win anything out of it. It's not rank, it has 0 competitive aspect to it. Thats why Tyler1 even quoted: WTF is this company doing balancing a game mode for kids instead of fixing their actual game.

Done253 votes

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It's Aram, its not meant to be balanced you play it for fun. You don't win anything out of it. It's not rank, it has 0 competitive aspect to it. Thats why Tyler1 even quoted: WTF is this company doing balancing a game mode for kids instead of fixing their actual game.

It's not very fun when Ziggs nukes your first tower at 5 min in.

taleofsonata1 votes

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It's not very fun when Ziggs nukes your first tower at 5 min in.

Then NERF THAT, NOT ZIGGS, THAT MECHANIC THATS MEAN FOR SUMMONER RIFT ONLY.

Critmaster Garen1 votes

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Then NERF THAT, NOT ZIGGS, THAT MECHANIC THATS MEAN FOR SUMMONER RIFT ONLY.

its his poke too. both of those champions are practically auto wins on aram, unless your team has an equally broken champion.

its true that aram is not going to be balanced, but they can still prevent champions like those two from going entirely nuts.

ZephyrDrake1 votes

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its his poke too. both of those champions are practically auto wins on aram, unless your team has an equally broken champion.

its true that aram is not going to be balanced, but they can still prevent champions like those two from going entirely nuts.

It's not like they can do something like "this ability does 20% less damage to turrets" or something... or making it so that the turret needs to be at like about 10% HP before his W can insta kill them. Nah that's just stupid. Now both of them will go from auto wins to auto losses. Love that Soraka can still fully heal everything while completely bypassing her HP cost still, that sure isn't a problem. Nah better make a champion that has one ofthe lowest base heals in the game heal for even less

Critmaster Garen1 votes

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It's not like they can do something like "this ability does 20% less damage to turrets" or something... or making it so that the turret needs to be at like about 10% HP before his W can insta kill them. Nah that's just stupid. Now both of them will go from auto wins to auto losses. Love that Soraka can still fully heal everything while completely bypassing her HP cost still, that sure isn't a problem. Nah better make a champion that has one ofthe lowest base heals in the game heal for even less

its not even the damage to turrets. its that ziggs just sits there and spamms q off cooldown to victory for 25 minutes.

his damage is overall just crazy.

ZephyrDrake1 votes

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its not even the damage to turrets. its that ziggs just sits there and spamms q off cooldown to victory for 25 minutes.

his damage is overall just crazy.

and now he will deal no damage whatsoever. Good job!

Critmaster Garen1 votes

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and now he will deal no damage whatsoever. Good job!

he will deal less, not nothing.

ZephyrDrake1 votes

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he will deal less, not nothing.

15% less damage plus even less damage from the "anti poke" thing... he deals no damage. He cannot poke, he is not an all-in champion so what does he do? tickle you to death? he is nothing more than a free win now.

ZephyrDrake2 votes

I mean now ziggs does 15% less damage... while dealing even less damage due to the "if you ate this far away from people you take even less damage!" Thing... like ok. Might as well not bother playing him anymore. Sona already heals less in aram to teammates due to the aram buff thing... might as well have her be unable to heal anything while tickling you at the same time. Guess that by "not shuffling tier lists" they meant completely gutting champions

Step Sis Lux1 votes

im sorry but why the fuck they buffed nidalee so much? Like she is already cancer with her Q and now 15%? What is riot thinking like form them she iss the weakest champion on aram? lol Also why nerfing teemo, he is already useless if someone buys item for 300 GOLD if u re playing ap

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