Mordekaiser's base stats were nerfed due to his synergy with Trinity Force

Malicious Metal·Nov 4, 2015·49 votes·4,966 views

http://st.elohell.net/public/chill/4656f8422c85aa89c69d2156b732bda7.jpg I remember a rioter justifying Morde's abysmally low MS and AS due to him building Trinity, making up for the loss of base stats and gaining powerful sheen procs. Now with the item being nerfed on the PBE it's so cringeworthy building it, due to the wasted stats and the nerf to the ones benefitting Morde. Now then, as far is I know Riot's going to stick with their decision on shifting Tri force around but pleasem for the love of all things Metal can Morde get his stats compensated? It's not only extremely difficult to get a source of AS and MS on Morde nowadays but Tri force simply won't be viable anymore. Anything regarding the Tin can hitting the PBE any time soon? If not, I'd like to know how exactly he'll be able to survive in the preseason with his items being nerfed and costing more and the marksmen getting ways to deal with him. ~M.M

74 Comments

Big LincolnNov 4, 201523 votes

riot isn't fond of compensation

IcyPepperNov 4, 201512 votes

Veigar

DeusVultNov 5, 20156 votes

Warwick Sejuani

Oerba No NajaNov 4, 20155 votes

Lissandra Evelynn REST IN PEACE DFG

Rustling BushNov 5, 20152 votes

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REST IN PEACE DFG

evelynn is still hilariously strong, whats holding her back right now is the fact that her ult is bugged, it does no damage currently and when are they going to fking fix it is beyond me but yeah, even with that i can still snowball out of control like no other jungler because of her op passive, i can see why riot keeps pouring on the nerfs.

JedenVojakNov 5, 20153 votes

uh...

She's an assassin who has no burst and she auto-reveals herself before she would be in range to do anything - she's pretty bad right now.

Adrian UmbraNov 5, 20151 votes

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...her ult is bugged, it does no damage currently and when are they going to fking fix it is beyond me but yeah...

They're never going to fix that because it's not a bug, it's a feature. Has been since the nerfs that killed midlane Eve.

HayRossNov 5, 20154 votes

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REST IN PEACE DFG

Fixed

Adrian UmbraNov 4, 201519 votes

Riot's had a long history of nerfs due to items followed by the items themselves being nerfed (See Kayle, Sejuani, Evelynn, etc.). Regardless of how much sense it would make to give Morde buffs to compensate for the slew of indirect nerfs, he's not going to get them (See Cassiopeia) and will be left in a pit of despair until Riot gets around to reworking him. Again.

Oh yes, so much will change with S6, but the way Riot deals with its unfavorites will always remain the same. Nerf and forget, nerf and forget.

Burnt Iron KingNov 4, 20154 votes

Well, to be fair they nerfed Morde BEFORE he hit live due to his supposed "abuse" of tri force XD

Adrian UmbraNov 4, 20153 votes

Same idea, though, they balanced him around that item (poorly, IMO) and now that the item doesn't give him the same benefits, he's weakened and Riot's not going to buff him.

Vistha KaiNov 4, 201511 votes

Keep calm and look at Kassadin.

Mordekaiser nerfs will stay.

Raid Boss MordeNov 5, 20152 votes

Kassadin is in a pretty good spot though.

JedenVojakNov 5, 20152 votes

Not really - his E is especially bad right now... 6 stacks required for a 1 second slow and as much damage as his Q.

Raid Boss MordeNov 5, 20152 votes

Odd, I've been seeing lots of Kassadin recently, and haven't seen any struggle.

Chicken4dinnerNov 6, 20151 votes

Mana gimmicks are hard to balance

ZT XperimentorNov 5, 20153 votes

Kassadin has utility, mord doesn't and will become even more obscure than before.

Vistha KaiNov 5, 20152 votes

Kassadin had a problem with his mobility. He got a kit-wide nerf/rework for it. Then the problem was the same, so all of his base abilities were nerfed. Then the problem was still the same, so his ult got nerfed too. Finally the problem was dealt with.

Nerfs to his base abilities, despite having nothing to do with the problem were kept for no apparent reason.

ZT XperimentorNov 5, 20151 votes

You're trying to say that apples & oranges taste the same if you peel them before deep-frying them, you're missing the point. Kassadin was the first high mobility champion, of course he had to be nerfed when everyone was immobile. Mord is in the reverse problem, nearly everyone can outrun him because it's a mobility meta, but he got nerfed anyway as if he was viable in the first place.

Non professional people were scared of him because they lacked teamwork & synergy to take him down; however he was banned in the championships because everyone knew how to support him enough to make him work. In the common que neither is going to be the case, and he'll just play out mediocre if he's lucky.

JotunheimrNov 5, 20152 votes

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You're trying to say that apples & oranges taste the same if you peel them before deep-frying them, you're missing the point. Kassadin was the first high mobility champion, of course he had to be nerfed when everyone was immobile. Mord is in the reverse problem, nearly everyone can outrun him because it's a mobility meta, but he got nerfed anyway as if he was viable in the first place.

Non professional people were scared of him because they lacked teamwork & synergy to take him down; however he was banned in the championships because everyone knew how to support him enough to make him work. In the common que neither is going to be the case, and he'll just play out mediocre if he's lucky.

This IS true most of the time. Morde is not OP; I can take him out going against him WAY too easily. Poor Mord.

Also, I've seen more and more people countering with Hiemerdinger when I play as Mordekiaser. It's so annoying. Dont get me wrong, Im focusing his turrets, but when my teammates run in and die.... He gets super fed, making it reallllllllly hard for me as mord.

ZT XperimentorNov 6, 20151 votes

Huh, never thought about him going against hiemerdinger, guessing zyra is just as abusive against mord then.

MordepoolNov 4, 20157 votes

Riot has no respect for old champions

RetillinNov 4, 20156 votes

Malicious Metal, I give you credit man. You have been speaking out about the issues with Morde for a long time. (Not alone there have been others) But at this point, Riot doesn't care. If they did, he would lose the Dragon/Xp and then they would re-work him instead of just giving him a different paint job and calling it done.

Stars ShaperNov 4, 20155 votes

It's kind of obvious that Riot won't do anything more than small number tweaks for Mordekaiser until the meta puts him in a middle-low tier of effectiveness so that you won't see him banned 100% of the times.

Me and others have been extremely vocal about Morde state, you can say that about him the whole of the community saw how bad the rework was. Nor the Morde players nor the Morde enemies enjoyed having him on the field. It might actually be the first time where a champion made FotM and OP was not liked by both sides. He surely was fun to play for the first 3 matches but then you got your Dragon-Hype shut down as you were doing constantly the same things in each match.

Now I'm throwing the towel. If Riot will ever talk about Mordekaiser in the future I'll make myself sure to follow and contribute to the discussion but unless they do as they did for Xerath and are doing for Taric (which still has to be seen as final result) I don't think we'll have an enjoyable and playable character.

JotunheimrNov 4, 20155 votes

Always hue Never die

Lord BoltrixNov 4, 20154 votes

At it again Mal?

Well anyways, it's not just Mordekaiser who suffers from the changes to Trinity Force, all the bruisers pay due to trying to shift Trinity Force as an ADC item. Mordekaiser just suffers more because he was altered due to his interaction with the item, and they haven't addressed him at all, which is disheartening considering they were all for trying to shift the meta around, shake things up by putting him bot. It worked for a time, but I'd like to see them try to re-emphasize that if they are going to keep him bot by making him relevant still. Considering that now more options exist item-wise to deal with something like a Mordekaiser bot lane, I would like to see Mordekaiser get more meaningful buffs to allow him to compete with the new empowered ADC's.

Then again, we come to the issue of power balance, where Mordekaiser needs to have some meaningful changes done to him.

LadyRenlyNov 4, 20153 votes

meme should be "keep calm and rush rylais"

Void NargacugaNov 4, 20151 votes

I agree 100% on this. This item 3116 is just overall better in so many ways for him.

Raid Boss MordeNov 5, 20151 votes

It's always been his best rush item, pre-rework and afterwards!

Void NargacugaNov 5, 20152 votes

We have been down-voted for this ideal... Even though it gives him LOTS of health, AP, AND a slow on all his abilities...

https://thedispersalofdarwin.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/charles_darwin_animation_by_darwinsbiggestfan-d547pku.gif

Sadly I never played him before the rework =/

Raid Boss MordeNov 5, 20151 votes

It's because no one knows what they're talking about then. Probably just people who haven't played Mordekaiser.

I've played him long before his rework, and ever since Rylai's got changed, it's been his BEST rush item.

Void NargacugaNov 5, 20151 votes

Trinity LOOKED nice on paper for him... But in practice? Nope. Just didn't make sense when I started looking at his skills and such. Synergy wasn't there in my eyes.

Rylai's? OH YEAH!

And with item 3151 too makes him cruel to whomever gets in his way. Just gets brutal. Especially on that 3rd Q...

Raid Boss MordeNov 5, 20152 votes

Nope! For it's price, it's not worth.

Mordekaiser has no need for Crit, AD, AS, and Mana. The rage passive is alright, as it helps you catch people with your Q, and the Sheen proc is great. However, the price just doesn't make this item worth it on Mordekaiser.

JotunheimrNov 5, 20151 votes

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Nope! For it's price, it's not worth.

Mordekaiser has no need for Crit, AD, AS, and Mana. The rage passive is alright, as it helps you catch people with your Q, and the Sheen proc is great. However, the price just doesn't make this item worth it on Mordekaiser.

Which is why I like Lich bane on him. You get a super sheen, plus movespeed. I like to get it after rylias, boots, and liandys.

Maximum MordeNov 5, 20152 votes

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meme should be "keep calm and rush rylais"

This. The build path of NLR on first back provides such a huge boost in performance compared to trying to rush tri.

SpoofghoulNov 4, 20153 votes

Morde should be able to use his w on enemies where it doesnt actually deal damage to them but give mordekaiser a movespeed buff towards them.

Meanwhile other enemies around still take the damage from the w untill it detonates then everyone in its radius takes some dmg. And perhaps gut the xp thing to 50% bonus xp instead of 100%

This should alsoe help morde more in solo lane i think

AND MORDE SHOULD ENSLAVE RIFT HERALD :D

TDubHNov 4, 20152 votes

100% XP to 50% read patch notes Kappa? they already did that.

MordepoolNov 5, 20152 votes

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Morde should be able to use his w on enemies where it doesnt actually deal damage to them but give mordekaiser a movespeed buff towards them.

Meanwhile other enemies around still take the damage from the w untill it detonates then everyone in its radius takes some dmg. And perhaps gut the xp thing to 50% bonus xp instead of 100%

His bonus xp is at 50%. As of last patch

Crys3sNov 5, 20153 votes

Not a morde main, was curious - anyone have tips for some solid CC?

Not sure if item 3022 item 3116 item 3025 or active item 3153 item 3146 get the job done since the slow nerfs.

If they are currently used, what is the preference?

OmiwomNov 5, 20152 votes

Irelia Irelia Irelia Irelia item 3078 Irelia Irelia Irelia Irelia

Raid Boss MordeNov 5, 20152 votes

WAIT... really!? Did Riot actually nerf his base stats because they were expecting us to build Trinity on Mordekaiser? Those of us who don't like building that item on him (me), have to deal with a low base stat Mordekaiser. I still prefer going mainly AP...

The build that I've been experimenting on the PBE in mid lane, and have had lots of success with (shown by people raging and saying Mordekaiser is broken and also calling me bronze), is rushing item 3116 > item 3111 (high CC team) or item 3047 (high AA team) or item 3020 (if you get really ahead) > item 3157 > item 3135 > item 3151 > item 3065

Now let me tell you why you don't need Trinity anymore... besides the stats on it being changed. There's a new mastery that has been working WONDERS for Mordekaiser on the PBE.

Stormraider's Surge: Dealing 30% of a champion's max Health within 2 seconds grants you 35% Movement Speed for 3 seconds (10 second cooldown).

This mastery right here has been so great! In lane, just get your 3rd Q ready, hit the champion, and then booooom, you get a huge movement speed boost. Later on, combine this with Rylai's, and it makes it very difficult to get away from you. I highly suggest you test this mastery on Mordekaiser!

JasiwelNov 5, 20152 votes

Riot nerfed him and his "go-to" items, so he's going to stay nerfed for a whole season. Then they'll buff him like Elise and he'll be pick/ban every game again. It makes me wonder if they ever think some of their choices through or if they just settle with what's good enough...I know that sounds harsh, but it feels like it a lot of the time.

ZT XperimentorNov 5, 20152 votes

Mord hasn't been fun to play since his rework, and every indirect nerf piles more dirt on his grave . . . or rusting shell in this case.

JotunheimrNov 4, 20151 votes

Lich bane vives you those sheen procs, and more when completed.

I daresay I acually ENJOY playing Morde top after I messed with my runes. I have more fun in a solo lane with him than bot.

I think I'm starting to understand why solo w only has deactivate. See, Morde is prone to ganks because of his movespeed(that's why I grab 2 MS quints and the MS mastery on utility, 27/0/3and get Rylias, Deadmans, Alacrity swiftness, and Lich Bane) I ACUALLY HAD SOME ENEMIES TELL ME MORDE IS TOO FAST WITH THIS ROUTE HUEHUEHUE

Anyways, if you learn to time solo w just right, you can use it as a cs tool, and with my MS with how I play him, I can almost always heal ooff of champs. I deactivate on champs AND minions for a nice fat ass heal. I feel mastering the solo w is ESSENTIAL to solo Morde.

Anyways, because it's not DOT solo, you won't shove lane.. So you are less apt to be in a bad position when ganked, given his base movespeed.

When timing solo w, I use it for heal, but also a super cs tool, like Morde's e. Super awsome. TIMING TIMING TIMING

I just play safe, time my abilities and when I should use deactivate heal, and build speed AP bruiser.

Dope stuff

My first ranked game like this I got like 3 or 4 triples and a couple quadras, or aomething along those lines. Not that's super OP(he's had multiple nergs already people), I'm just getting the hang of timing of thongs and bpw to play sage and poke early, even better poking while csing.

Practice in bot games, I can solo 2 vs 1 up top now with Morde.

And here I though it was impossible to solo Mord. My skill level on hom has raised SIGNIFIGANTLY since practincing timing abilities and getting Movement items, quints, and summoner spells.

Practicing solo Morde in bots and norms helps a lot.

Solo Morde is also cool because we still get to have a ranged adc.

I'm starting to have lotssssss of fun with Morde now, and finally can understand and appreciate the mechanics in his current kit. Total change of heart.

JedenVojakNov 4, 20154 votes

How do you deal with Mordekaiser's insane squishiness and getting poked to death without being to reach your lane opponent at all?

Champs like Ziggs and Velkoz just wreck his day.

JotunheimrNov 4, 20151 votes

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How do you deal with Mordekaiser's insane squishiness and getting poked to death without being to reach your lane opponent at all?

Champs like and just wreck his day.

Remember: 2 MOVESPEED QUINTS and 27/0/3.

I went bot lane and got destroyed bt vel koz. You know why? Because I don't have MR in the rune page AND MADE THE MISTAKE OF NOT STARTING NULL MAGIC MANTLE. I messed up by starting damage with amplifying tome. I say always start null magic against AP so you dont die so easily when Morde is at his weakest early on. With how I play him, you MUST play safe early, try to shield and cs at the same time when you can, but ALWAYS CS. Cs is so important to the game. In top lane, yes top, the reactivate w and your e are used for saftey and farming tools. I also try to poke when I do this, if they get too close to try and stop thier cs to an extent. Dont chase early. PLAY SAFE OR YOU WILL DIE. It took 3 people divong tower to kill me since I'm getting much better with w reactivate. Having hit a champ and minions gives a nice heal. Once you poke, walk back. If you have pushed hard pre six for whatever reason and they come at you, flip on w, start running away, e them for shield and deactivate w after they hit you. Its just against AP be super safe and start null magic. Against AD top, I start Amplifying tome and health pot for increased damage and heal. I CANT STRESS HOW MUCH WARDING IS IMPORTANT IF YOU PUSH LANE WITH SOLO MORDE. When you see them coming pre six, flip ghost and run.

On the other hand, once you are strong enough, ghost helps you stick, plus the movespeed quints. I also get boots first back, and try to stay in lane till I get needlessly large rod for Rylias, and stock up on potions for early laning phase if they have hard poke.

Rylias, alacrity swiftness, and Liandrys are the core, nut against AP you MUST get Banshees or Spirit Visage.

I like rylias and liandrys as it ups Ap(even q deals multiplication damage as magic damage) and both give about 700 health if my memory is correct. Almost a warmogs. I always get deadmans on him for the speed. A MUST. That being said, your build path is easier against AD.

JedenVojakNov 5, 20152 votes

I don't know when you can really build Warmogs, Banshee's, and Spirit Visage on Mordekaiser; all of those will kill his damage, and he really needs to max out his AP to get the best use of his ultimate. Even a final item BV is a real damage sink on him.

JotunheimrNov 5, 20151 votes

I personanally always throw resistances on him, because he's so squishy.

On another note, I've found AD Morde falls off, so I tend to go Ap to scale hard late game for those heals.

Maaaannnnn do I love those heals.

Ps-I wonder what Morde was like pre rework. Maybe I have so much fun with him because I don't know how he was before? I mean, at first after his nerfs I was dissapointed.. Than I focused on how I can stick to my enemies, and what items grant defense AND offense. More importantly I practiced solo top in bot games against the two bots. Going 2vs1 when I could in bots really helped me understand how to play him without an ally around. I thought for the longest that he couldn't solo. I learned to time and position Morde for solo w damage, and how to cs with e. Once I get the soul of one, I kill the next. Boom.

I feel playing Morde like that has taught me the importance of things like timing, warding, and to not be too aggressive all the time, whi h used to be a big problem. Mordekiaser has upped my ability to play other champions by learning how to poke and avoid ganks, as well as csing better while poking/trading enemies.

JedenVojakNov 5, 20153 votes

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I personanally always throw resistances on him, because he's so squishy.

On another note, I've found AD Morde falls off, so I tend to go Ap to scale hard late game for those heals.

Maaaannnnn do I love those heals.

Ps-I wonder what Morde was like pre rework.

Well...

He had longer range on his abilities, his aoe dot ability was usable by himself which granted MR/AR and you could cast it on minions - but it didn't have a drain component, his q wasn't combo'y but had a ranged aoe component to it, his E actually did damage he was faster and perhaps most important of all his shield actually worked. His shield was his defense before, and I built full AP mid, as doing more damage gave you more shield which blocked more damage; it just feels like it's not even there anymore.

I don't want to build defensive items on Mordekaiser, back in the day his offense was his defense.

JotunheimrNov 5, 20151 votes

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Well...

He had longer range on his abilities, his aoe dot ability was usable by himself which granted MR/AR and you could cast it on minions - but it didn't have a drain component, his q wasn't combo'y but had a ranged aoe component to it, his E actually did damage he was faster and perhaps most important of all his shield actually worked. His shield was his defense before, and I built full AP mid, as doing more damage gave you more shield which blocked more damage; it just feels like it's not even there anymore.

I don't want to build defensive items on Mordekaiser, back in the day his offense was his defense.

Hmm, okay, interesting. Yeah, I alsi feel it should be okay to go all offensive with him, as shield is granted by damage from abilities. Unfortunatly, it seems his base stats make that next to impossible..

I tried it and couldn't even do it in a bot game and HAD to build some sort of defensive item. I run him offensive runes and masteries for the most part, and build JUST enough defense to survive with shield. I havent built warmogs recently. Typically Dead mans and SV. I live it when the enemy comp is low on AP because I dont even buold MR; Rylias, Liandrys, and dead man's is enough.

THAN COMES LICH BANE BANE AND DEATHCAP, FOOLS

HUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUE

I used o start early with building tank, than later IE and DC, but Ive found AP scales better late game.