People hate LC$Big Plays yet do they actually think mage duels are fun?

Chris Chiaki·Mar 15, 2015·6 votes·985 views

This sort of play takes a high level of mechanical skill and decision-making and they are hella fun to watch. Of course some ADC mains will complain Bjergsen facerolled for the kill but I'd like to see them even replicate the same thing in their ELO.

I don't see how duels are fun to watch or play, I played all 3 champs in S4 when Exhaust was OP and it was boring as fuck. You just poke each other for days, why the fuck are people so obsessed with neutering assassins so we can get this sort of midlane? I don't about you but Ahri/Zed, Fizz/Ahri, Talon/Zed, Leblanc/Zed are some of the funniest match-ups to play because there's potential to outplay on both sides.

is just poke until you land your stun and then dump your shit on him. #Mechanics

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AHeroNamedHawkeMar 15, 20155 votes

Ziggs http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120201140803/leagueoflegends/images/5/52/Bouncing_Bomb.jpg

Xerath http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140203215630/leagueoflegends/images/5/57/Arcanopulse.png

Cleared wave, return to tower

What an exciting matchup

LoLKiruMar 15, 20153 votes

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http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120201140803/leagueoflegends/images/5/52/Bouncing_Bomb.jpg

http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140203215630/leagueoflegends/images/5/57/Arcanopulse.png

Cleared wave, return to tower

What an exciting matchup

Pretty simple way to fix that for Xerath honestly.

Lower the amount of mana he gets on autoing minions, raise the amount he gets on champions even further. This way to spam his spells, he needs to take actual risks

Thats why Xerath has that passive (I remember being around before he was reworked and it was discussed his passive is meant to both keep him from just spamming mindlessly, while still rewarding him for taking risks).

Ziggs is another story, and he JUST got a buff to his Q's mana costs.

Edit: As an elaboration, Xerath's level 1 passive currently restores 30 mana on minion / monster auto attack, 60 on champion auto attack.

Why not make it so he gets 15 on minion auto, and say 90 on champion auto ( 6x the normal value), at level 18 with that value he'd be getting 97.5 mana on minions and 585 mana on champion auto (by comparison, his current passive gives him 390 mana on champion auto at level 18)

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Well that's one way too look at it, but you also just missed the other side of the coin. What about all the Lux/Zed matchups that you find yourself in? Do you know what happens? The lane gets forced into a giant farm lane where Lux has to stay 2k units away from Zed because the second she steps into his range he can overkill the hell out of her. Do you know which champ is actually driving the passivity in this match up?

Also this, I'd doubt anyone would want to try and actually fight, given that they will die very quickly because of their lack of mobility if an assassin jumps on them.

LankPantsMar 15, 20154 votes

It's because people actually play the game, not just watch it.

While it may be a little frustrating to play into a Ziggs who just ults out every wave you push into his tower it still feels far less bullshit then when a Leblanc hits you with her combo and deals upwards of 3000 damage to you instantly.

Ahri/Zed, Fizz/Ahri, Talon/Zed, Leblanc/Zed are some of the funniest match-ups to play because there's potential to outplay on both sides.

Well that's one way too look at it, but you also just missed the other side of the coin. What about all the Lux/Zed matchups that you find yourself in? Do you know what happens? The lane gets forced into a giant farm lane where Lux has to stay 2k units away from Zed because the second she steps into his range he can overkill the hell out of her. Do you know which champ is actually driving the passivity in this match up?

SoundChaosDebugMar 15, 20153 votes

I tried to read this post but you kept missing random words in your sentences so I stopped.

Malix FarwinMar 15, 20152 votes

They aren't every exciting mostly due to mage changes and who was the one who made those changes again

VDc0zCqe0wMar 15, 20152 votes

this is (let's say WAS) a strategy game

mechanics should be secondary

Sailor MintMar 15, 20153 votes

People are too scared to fight and lose.

Everything is about rotations.

VDc0zCqe0wMar 15, 20152 votes

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People are too scared to fight and lose.

Everything is about rotations.

and it should be like this TBH, if i wanted to play an FPS i'd go CS

MrSc0ttyMar 15, 20152 votes

I do not hate lcsbigplays.

I hate when a champ is given preferential treatment by the balance team when they can make them EVEN IF LESS FLASHY PLAYS BY OTHER CHAMPS ARE JUST AS HARD.

Shaco has to stutter step for Backstab damage, prepare traps before a fight, decide when to trade his perma slow for burst, time his blink, and control his clone. That is an extremely high skillcap but a lot of it is hard to see. So he gets Nerfed and the super flashy Zed gets to be extremely strong because he has dramatic poofs and splashy noises and a "zomg so epic" ult. Shaco is a high skillcap low Counterplay champ. So is Zed. So is LB. So is Lee Sin. The ones that get to be strongest are separated out by the ones riot likes the plays from best.

In a season where 95% of the champs made for jungling are struggling at a basic level, the biggest jungling specific buff in LoL was dropped....ON NIDALEE.

Chris ChiakiMar 15, 20152 votes

Assassin kills are effortless?

Why doesn't every LCS player go around making Faker level plays then?

Assassins take a much higher level of decision-making and mechanical ability then any mage because you're diving into 5 people in teamfights as a squishy target and relying on your cooldowns and summoners to survive.

Sdf93Mar 15, 20151 votes

#Mechanics

AbyssphereMar 15, 20151 votes

You can't say "mage duels are boring" and support that statement by picking 3 of the most wave clear-focused mages in the game. Ziggs and Orianna are terribly boring to watch because they have no kill potential in lane whatsoever. Xerath has stupidly good waveclear but his stun allows him to burst the enemy really well so there actually is a chance of danger with him. And at least Xerath and Orianna have ultimates that can do really cool things. Ziggs imo is one of the most boring champions to watch in the game.

But there are so many mages who are way more entertaining than that. Ahri, Syndra, Cassiopeia, Lissandra, Zyra, etc etc all have really interesting laning phases with lots of potential for kills. Mages as a class aren't boring and I prefer to watch a mage get an amazing kill than an assassin get an effortless one.