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@Riot One more time, read this and share your opinion about Cassiopeia please?

4NoxiousHours··21 votes·1,628 views

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So what would you suggest as a fix? and I can agree that she shouldn't really on spamming and excessive clicking but positioning is what all immobile mages deal with, you want her to have a dash? lol

I was asked this question and wanted to make another thread about Cass upon her Kit not by experience. First off I want to let everyone know before you judge about my opinion please look at this thread: http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/wxOJOf8l-riot-read-my-first-time-experience-of-cassiopeia-as-of-today

This is just my opinion so don’t bash on me :(

It would be nice if they made her similar to Syndra where her Q and E can inflict damage while the W remains to be the utility except it would be better if her W will expand faster and little more bigger. Her ult bothers me a lot because her slow should scale up to 90% if the enemy have their backs turned, I just don’t get why Kass’s E can scale up to 90% but not her ult.

Her Mana is very bad, all her skills scale up so much mana cost and it just forces Cassiopeia to mandatory get Tear and not RoA or Athenes. Like if I want to get magic resist or be tanky I can’t because Cassiopeia’s mana cost won’t let me.

Her Passive is not really unique in my opinion because I feel like you want her to be the type of champion to spam her abilities as much as possible, if anything she needs a new passive where her poison becomes even more deadly? Idk lol

Oh! and her AA to be improved because I feel like she's throwing green strips of bacon lol

That is my answer to your question.

https://40.media.tumblr.com/7d6566f481c563987375b4652f2ecc1d/tumblr_msnt0nWZeU1sar26wo1_500.png

**But personally I would just want Cassiopeia to get a Fiora rework, where her kit is entirely changed and her Visuals to be improved because her current classic model doesn’t fully justify as her splash art. If they were to rework Cassiopeia I would want the theme to be Deadly, Poisonous, and Frightful. **

A utility that brings, an AoE Fear, Slow, and bonus movement speed. Snakes are fast, aggressive and fearful. Along with a skin that is black and red where it would make people cringe because it’s haunting to look at (; I just love snakes to be the kind of frightful, deadly type. But believe it or not, snakes do indeed dash, they also "fling" where they launch themselves to you and then go back to their original place. Maybe something like that can be brought to her new kit ? idk.

16 Comments

Dominick Destine5 votes

+1 for cute Cass image post.

Also I tend to agree. Cassiopeia is pure garbage in dire need of a hard-rework.

4NoxiousHours2 votes

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+1 for cute Cass image post.

Also I tend to agree. Cassiopeia is pure garbage in dire need of a hard-rework.

That's what I'd actually hope for. lol

Teslablade5 votes

As a herpetology geek, the current reptile champs are pretty disappointing . Class needs to FEEL like a snake when playing her.

Paroe5 votes

But... Stashu failed and riot cant admit failure.

I think cass is, unfortunately, a product of a designer not being held accountable for his actions. ANY other game, what stashu did, there would have been major changes when the uproar and bad comments started to flow.

New cass vs old cass, Old cass had more class and was more fun to play as and against... :c New cass should go in the jungle with devourers.

4NoxiousHours2 votes

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But... Stashu failed and riot cant admit failure.

I think cass is, unfortunately, a product of a designer not being held accountable for his actions. ANY other game, what stashu did, there would have been major changes when the uproar and bad comments started to flow.

New cass vs old cass, Old cass had more class and was more fun to play as and against... :c New cass should go in the jungle with devourers.

The obvious thing here is that Riot should delay what they plan on working on in 2017 and begin reworking Cassiopeia. I mean it's logical that when you break something, you fix it right away. People don't just let broken things be on the floor for months or years, they fix their mistakes right away. It's not hard to create a concept for this particular champion, she is similar to Medusa and is part of the snake family, I don't see what's hard to gather ideas from.

I literally just set up a theme they can focus on doing for her, not only that, they should ALSO listen to the Cassiopeia's mains suggestion rather than ignoring and doing their own thing.

Paroe2 votes

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The obvious thing here is that Riot should delay what they plan on working on in 2017 and begin reworking Cassiopeia. I mean it's logical that when you break something, you fix it right away. People don't just let broken things be on the floor for months or years, they fix their mistakes right away. It's not hard to create a concept for this particular champion, she is similar to Medusa and is part of the snake family, I don't see what's hard to gather ideas from.

I literally just set up a theme they can focus on doing for her, not only that, they should ALSO listen to the Cassiopeia's mains suggestion rather than ignoring and doing their own thing.

Im not a cass main nor do i enjoy playing her... but i liked pre-rework cass. Machine gun cass is really... kind of stupid. Her venom fang thing would be MUCH better off as a toggle that costs mana per hit. Her farming passive also... silly.

=/ Cass's theme is, and always has been "Poison DoT mage". Her rework took the thing most people liked least and put all of her power into it; Im pretty sure Stashu only liked shooting fangs and re-made cass how HE wanted her and not with her playerbase in mind. One thing i wish from a cass rework at this point is reversion of the purple cloud nerfs and making her fang thingy a toggle that costs mana per attack that gives flat MS. i think it would be fun and give rise to ASP cass builds that focus on ludin/firecannon procs while chasing. Like a snake hunting its prey.

4NoxiousHours1 votes

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Im not a cass main nor do i enjoy playing her... but i liked pre-rework cass. Machine gun cass is really... kind of stupid. Her venom fang thing would be MUCH better off as a toggle that costs mana per hit. Her farming passive also... silly.

=/ Cass's theme is, and always has been "Poison DoT mage". Her rework took the thing most people liked least and put all of her power into it; Im pretty sure Stashu only liked shooting fangs and re-made cass how HE wanted her and not with her playerbase in mind. One thing i wish from a cass rework at this point is reversion of the purple cloud nerfs and making her fang thingy a toggle that costs mana per attack that gives flat MS. i think it would be fun and give rise to ASP cass builds that focus on ludin/firecannon procs while chasing. Like a snake hunting its prey.

Idk when I see Cass I just see the words "Fiora Rework Her" because really, number changing will only make her good for a certain amount of weeks and when Riot changes something that has to do with Mages, Cassiopeia is back to square one. I feel like Riot will keep updating Cassiopeia almost every patch with numbers and that's not how it will be fixed at all.

What's sad to see also is that they are giving Sona A LOT of attention which I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH but it's really weird for Riot to fix Sona and not Cassiopeia when they both got the same treatment.

Paroe1 votes

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Idk when I see Cass I just see the words "Fiora Rework Her" because really, number changing will only make her good for a certain amount of weeks and when Riot changes something that has to do with Mages, Cassiopeia is back to square one. I feel like Riot will keep updating Cassiopeia almost every patch with numbers and that's not how it will be fixed at all.

What's sad to see also is that they are giving Sona A LOT of attention which I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH but it's really weird for Riot to fix Sona and not Cassiopeia when they both got the same treatment.

Have you ever played dota? theres a champion in it called "medusa" thats... snake themed.

I feel riot should take a look at dota's medusa, and decide if they want to have cass this wierd ADC wannnabe, or a poison mage, or even a snake mage.

4NoxiousHours1 votes

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Have you ever played dota? theres a champion in it called "medusa" thats... snake themed.

I feel riot should take a look at dota's medusa, and decide if they want to have cass this wierd ADC wannnabe, or a poison mage, or even a snake mage.

I don't think Riot would want to copy exactly Medusa but have her ability to stone people lol It would be cool to see an Archer mage but then people will start doing "Ability Power Carry [APC] " so it's best to avoid that lol not only that, I'm getting tired of seeing "Archers" in League. I feel like we have enough arrows as it is right now.

Cassiopeia can go many ways to her Rework, but I'd prefer her to be a mixture of DoT/Assassin because snakes pray on the enemy and strike very hard. Sometimes they tend to retreat quickly when situations get a little too much.

Canastus4 votes

I keep checking the PBE-notes whenever a new update comes around and every single time they act as if Cass doesn't even exist, they'd much rather focus on popular champions like Zed when it comes to buffs while nerfing random champions like Karthus who haven't seen play in ages. If that's their way of setting priorities, I don't want to know what else they have in store for us. It's downright screwed up, period.

She also hasn't seen a new skin in three years so far. Just another instance of Riot's ongoing negligence when it comes to this pitiful champion. She's literally the Urgot of midlane, just compare them - they have so much in common in terms of visuals, popularity and gameplay.

4NoxiousHours2 votes

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I keep checking the PBE-notes whenever a new update comes around and every single time they act as if Cass doesn't even exist, they'd much rather focus on popular champions like Zed when it comes to buffs while nerfing random champions like Karthus who haven't seen play in ages. If that's their way of setting priorities, I don't want to know what else they have in store for us. It's downright screwed up, period.

She also hasn't seen a new skin in three years so far. Just another instance of Riot's ongoing negligence when it comes to this pitiful champion. She's literally the Urgot of midlane, just compare them - they have so much in common in terms of visuals, popularity and gameplay.

That kinda crushes my heart even tho I don't main her or anything lol I mean she really has caught my attention lately and maybe I'd eventually main her soon but it's true what you're saying.

I feel like this champion is sadly going to become like Yorick where they will leave her kit, visual and not even bother plan a skin for her till the next 2 or 3 seasons of League Of Legends. And that really scares me because it's sad to be one of those players to experience a lovely champion becoming the worthless champion. :/

Leu072 votes

Cassiopeia really does not give you the feel that you are a snake or anything related, yes, she is inspired mostly in Medusa, but what do we know about Medusa? she was cursed by Athene because Poseidon raped her and her glare will turn you to stone and Perseos killed her. She already has the petrifying gaze so the Medusa feeling is already covered. What I would really like to feel on her is the impression of a deadly assasin, that's what comes to my mind when I think of snakes, deadly predator, she should have some sort of constriction ability in which she squeezes the oponent with her body, her name is even "Cassiopeia, THE SERPENT'S EMBRACE" she even used to say "feel my embrace" but does she have a constriction ability? no, so that's pretty dissapointing to me. I think riot should look at snakes documentaries and get some ideas on how snakes kill.

4NoxiousHours2 votes

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Cassiopeia really does not give you the feel that you are a snake or anything related, yes, she is inspired mostly in Medusa, but what do we know about Medusa? she was cursed by Athene because Poseidon raped her and her glare will turn you to stone and Perseos killed her. She already has the petrifying gaze so the Medusa feeling is already covered. What I would really like to feel on her is the impression of a deadly assasin, that's what comes to my mind when I think of snakes, deadly predator, she should have some sort of constriction ability in which she squeezes the oponent with her body, her name is even "Cassiopeia, THE SERPENT'S EMBRACE" she even used to say "feel my embrace" but does she have a constriction ability? no, so that's pretty dissapointing to me. I think riot should look at snakes documentaries and get some ideas on how snakes kill.

You mean like Cassiopeia launches herself to the enemy and snares them by her grasp? I really can't see how grasping on a squishy mage can work honestly xD but it's a creative mind.

The Medusa part is something I agree but I wouldn't want Riot to make Cassiopeia do exactly like what Medusa is able to do. Instead I rather want them to get the theme feeling of Fear, Poison, and Deadly. Medusa is fearful and deadly (not sure about poisonous). Then comes the Animal, Snakes. This is the part where her "assassin" comes out where she is fast and have really good awareness around. Snakes benefit a lot from being hidden in places like the bush because they strike when least expect. (I watched this in Animal Planet long ago lmao)

But I believe most people don't want Cassiopeia to be a Mage/Assassin but more of a DoT mage champion even know she can be like Malzahar lol

Leu072 votes

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You mean like Cassiopeia launches herself to the enemy and snares them by her grasp? I really can't see how grasping on a squishy mage can work honestly xD but it's a creative mind.

The Medusa part is something I agree but I wouldn't want Riot to make Cassiopeia do exactly like what Medusa is able to do. Instead I rather want them to get the theme feeling of Fear, Poison, and Deadly. Medusa is fearful and deadly (not sure about poisonous). Then comes the Animal, Snakes. This is the part where her "assassin" comes out where she is fast and have really good awareness around. Snakes benefit a lot from being hidden in places like the bush because they strike when least expect. (I watched this in Animal Planet long ago lmao)

But I believe most people don't want Cassiopeia to be a Mage/Assassin but more of a DoT mage champion even know she can be like Malzahar lol

In 1v1 scenario the constriction ability (coiling around her target and squishing them) sounds pretty effective, specially if it works like a suppress, imo. That would totally change her playstyle however, but I just wanted to add another snake feature to her, specially when her name's title is "the serpent's embrace" it's like riot should either change the title or give her a constriction ability xD. Anyways, we can be talking here on boards giving ideas to Cassiopeia for years and riot would not pay attention, it's been prooved many times that they don't give a fck about Cass, which is very lame, but that's their loss, it's their game and their character, if they want them shitty then k.

4NoxiousHours2 votes

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In 1v1 scenario the constriction ability (coiling around her target and squishing them) sounds pretty effective, specially if it works like a suppress, imo. That would totally change her playstyle however, but I just wanted to add another snake feature to her, specially when her name's title is "the serpent's embrace" it's like riot should either change the title or give her a constriction ability xD. Anyways, we can be talking here on boards giving ideas to Cassiopeia for years and riot would not pay attention, it's been prooved many times that they don't give a fck about Cass, which is very lame, but that's their loss, it's their game and their character, if they want them shitty then k.

But I like snakes :( Riot y u do this

ScurvyNave2 votes

I'm just upset that my desperado Cass skin makes her look like a ugly earth worm with a cool hat. The pre rework skin looked so much nicer.

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