Vlad can use a nerf ,-,

letsfeedtogether·Apr 24, 2019·42 votes·13,426 views

Vlad is kinda broken and in a need of a nerf. His late game is way too good for the safe early game he has. And even anti healing cant really stop him anymore

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Vulkus IApr 24, 201920 votes

A good early game seems to be a big theme for lategame hypercarries Cough cough Kayle

letsfeedtogetherApr 24, 201923 votes

Vayne

DeusVultApr 24, 20195 votes

full on tuberculosis Riven

ThefrostyvikingApr 24, 20194 votes

Good early isnt what Kayle has though, she is safe but not "good" really.

She wont go full Jayce on you and drive you off the wave "good".

Or for many melee, Darius apprehend into massive slow into gradually more damage from passive+Q.

Renekton Just crapping on many as well.

Kayle is safe, she can avoid loosing too much CS with her Q and E, inspiration page+resolve gives tons of sustain to get through lane and she can use most "get by" early items like corrupting pot+dark seal.

Well assuming she isnt playing playing against the likes of pantheon, Riven or Jax who just crap on her from start to finish.

Literal IRL TreeApr 24, 20192 votes

I think you are the first person to actually say this. She isn't a pushover in lane like Veigar but she has been in her pre rework and will likely stay safe for the most part.

ThefrostyvikingApr 24, 20191 votes

She was safe enough even pre rework, heck i even won some lanes on her pre rework.

Now though? Unless the enemy does something really goofy like trying to win 1v1 melee as jayce in my minions when we both have full health at lvl 2 then i definitely dont find myself winning lanes.

Heck that Jayce even beat me later anyway once he recalled and grabbed himself some early lethality, turns out attackspeed doesnt do so well against burst.

Spicy RiceApr 24, 20192 votes

Even veig isn't a pushover past level 4. Sure, he isn't going to one shot you, but he can put out a decent chunk of damage

SucctionApr 24, 20192 votes

[{quoted}](name=Spicy Rice,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Whljqngu,comment-id=0001000100000001,timestamp=2019-04-24T17:54:20.414+0000)

Even veig isn't a pushover past level 4. Sure, he isn't going to one shot you, but he can put out a decent chunk of damage

With what?

The 70/110/150/190/230 damage rank 2 Q?

Or the W that can only hit you if you get minion blocked into it?

General Esdeath Apr 24, 20191 votes

[{quoted}](name=Vulkus I,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Whljqngu,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-04-24T13:58:18.038+0000)

A good early game seems to be a big theme for lategame hypercarries Cough cough

lol what? her passive doesn't really exist early, she's melee, her E scales with missing HP so she can't use it unless she SOMEHOW pokes you low with her low damage. Her heal is weak and on a long cooldown.

What good early game does she have?

Mr Bob BobersonApr 25, 20191 votes

[{quoted}](name=Vulkus I,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Whljqngu,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-04-24T13:58:18.038+0000)

A good early game seems to be a big theme for lategame hypercarries Cough cough

Yasuo Urgot Darius Riven Vayne Tryndamere No idea what you're talking about

Vulkus IApr 25, 20192 votes

Darius is an early game champion.

Mr Bob BobersonApr 25, 20191 votes

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Vulkus IApr 25, 20191 votes

He's a lane bully for a reason.

Neptunia xoxoApr 24, 201915 votes

He actually just needs an overall rework. Legit he is a horrible designed champion lol

Ahri BakaApr 24, 20199 votes

True He is even strong in mid lane while originally he's a top laner that abuses Range with no mana costs

In mid you are basically trolling if you waste mana on him , even Zed can't deal with him despite needing no mana Not sure about Akali and Yasuo against him but yes , his early is too good for a champion that is a 1v5 in late game

FSRERApr 24, 20191 votes

Kennen intesifies

Sir SaltarinApr 24, 20198 votes

Please for the love of all that's sacred in this world nerf Vladimir

FallingMeteorApr 24, 20196 votes

How about nerfing his ult?

"Vladimir infects enemies in a target area with a virulent plague, causing them to take 10% increased damage from all sources for 4 seconds." -> Either nerf the damage from all sources or have it only apply to him.

Then theres his double Q, which provides way too much safety considering it doesn't cost anything, and has no counterplay besides staying away from him or buying an item that costs 800g for ad champs, 1000g for tanks, or 3000g for mages.

Bouncemaster ZacApr 24, 20191 votes

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How about nerfing his ult?

"Vladimir infects enemies in a target area with a virulent plague, causing them to take 10% increased damage from all sources for 4 seconds." -> Either nerf the damage from all sources or have it only apply to him.

Then theres his double Q, which provides way too much safety considering it doesn't cost anything, and has no counterplay besides staying away from him or buying an item that costs 800g for ad champs, 1000g for tanks, or 3000g for mages.

The damage amp on his ult has been nerfed repeatedly as is, thanks to how strong it is in pro play. There was a point where it gave 20% amp.

p a t r i o tApr 25, 20191 votes

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How about nerfing his ult?

"Vladimir infects enemies in a target area with a virulent plague, causing them to take 10% increased damage from all sources for 4 seconds." -> Either nerf the damage from all sources or have it only apply to him.

Then theres his double Q, which provides way too much safety considering it doesn't cost anything, and has no counterplay besides staying away from him or buying an item that costs 800g for ad champs, 1000g for tanks, or 3000g for mages.

No counter play to his emp q other than walking away for 2 seconds?

kuzzy47Apr 24, 20195 votes

Disgusting champ.

RaQqaApr 24, 20193 votes

Around 3 weeks ago i made a post about vlad being broken in late game and that his midgame is already quite good but I get mostly negative opinions even u were writing there that he is ok xD, I guess u get rekted and opened eyes .

But now seriously, if he is played mid, then its easy for him to get to late, if he is playing top, he can be smashed out from the game. I will say like the others on my post "He is not mobile, buy grievious wounds, use %hp dmg vs him cough cough" gold players knows better, but in dia 4 he is banned or picked every game. He will be unchanged, until pro plays will not suffer enough against him, same as riven,vayne lmao.

There is no single mage that can rush protobelt and rabaddon as second item and have 2.5k hp, but its fine, with 45% cdr on maybe 11 lvl or a bit later.

Spicy RiceApr 24, 20197 votes

Even in top, you need to have multiple ganks to really smash him well.

RaQqaApr 24, 20192 votes

nah, u can just jump on him all the time, wih jax,wukong,jayce, just anyone outrade him early.

Scottsc20Apr 24, 20192 votes

Yeah, you trade, you win, he presses Q, suddenly it's like you have lost the trade. Good champ design.

Spicy RiceApr 24, 20192 votes

True, you can out trade him, but he has the tools to prevent you from really pushing him out of lane.

And remember, if you jump on him, you inherently push the wave, due to taking minion aggro, which is what vlad wants, as he can then freeze until the point where he starts winning trades.

RaQqaApr 25, 20191 votes

All u have to do is to let him push, early, freeze lane near your tower and just jump on him whenever he wants to farm. His Q early won't heal him from the dmg , he is doomed until jungler break the freeze.

ValiantKillerApr 25, 20193 votes

No we busy buffing cancer champions like Sylas and Renekton while leaving Riven Vayne untouched so top lane can be more toxic

Hawthorn TreeApr 24, 20192 votes

Vlad's entire design is problematic. He is, #1, a drain tank who has damage and sustain up his nose. Those are generally the kinds of champions who can win upfront 1v5s when they have a lead. #2, he actually has a really nice and smooth Flash combo; compared to people like Illaoi and Swain who really just flash into a crowd and then stand there, Vlad is MUCH harder to kite. #3, as a drain tank who leans more on side of drain and less on the side of tank, Vlad gets to build for 1000 AP oneshots and still be impossible to focus down because of pool + item 3157 . I'm completely fine with him having an extended Fizz E for when he's diving into 5 enemies to start a fight, but I am NOT okay with him being able to just press W and run toward his tower/team whenever things don't work out for him.

y0r1ckApr 24, 20192 votes

I'm biased because Yorick absolutely crushes Vladimir, so I can't say whether he needs nerfs or not but I can tell you this. I regularly get ghostblade into triforce in this matchup because it helps destroy him early and triforce lets me continue to destroy him mid game. After vlad hits 16 I can build some MR and he'll never be a threat to me if I position well.

So worst case scenario you can pick Yorick to beat him. I guess other bruisers who can also pick up an early ghostblade in a pinch might be ok, but it's yorick's wall that vlad can't deal with.

Sir SaltarinApr 24, 20192 votes

The problem of Vlad is how he one shots the backline while untouchable for most of the time through W Zhonyas W

And no, if you were wondering grievous wounds doesn't do shit because the problem it's not his heal but his dmg and invulnerability

y0r1ckApr 27, 20191 votes

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The problem of Vlad is how he one shots the backline while untouchable for most of the time through W Zhonyas W

And no, if you were wondering grievous wounds doesn't do shit because the problem it's not his heal but his dmg and invulnerability

I see thanks for laying it out. I still don't really have an opinion on it because I haven't seen it for myself, but it's so nice to see someone say something that makes sense.

ReySolomonApr 24, 20192 votes

SO I played Vladimir for 2 years now and I can tell you the champions to use to beat him in lane/shut him down etc..

Kassadin Fizz Darius Annie Akali Anivia Cassiopeia Illaoi Leblanc Malzahar Nasus Riven Yorick Urgot Tryndamere Zoe

Imagine? that's a lot in mid/top lane you can pick to counter him xD but hey if you think he's broken then so be it but to ask for a nerf because simply you don't know what to pick is not cool.

also there are better worries like Vayne Riven Kayle

letsfeedtogetherApr 24, 20193 votes

"A champion has bad match up so he isnt btoken" LOGIC

ReySolomonApr 24, 20192 votes

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"A champion has bad match up so he isnt btoken" LOGIC

For you to be worried about something that's the least problem right now is a concern but like I said, that's you I just mentioned all the champions you can pick to shut him down.

unlike the REAL issues you can counter them and it still won't matter BUT again that's you.

letsfeedtogetherApr 24, 20193 votes

By your logic. If there is another issue. The other one dosent exist anymore?

ReySolomonApr 24, 20192 votes

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By your logic. If there is another issue. The other one dosent exist anymore?

No I'm saying fix what's the most problematic right now THEN they can look at other champions.

Did you lose to a Vladimir that badly or you just hate him so much? xD but hey man it's cool if you think they should put him Top priority for nerfs.

letsfeedtogetherApr 24, 20192 votes

I actually play a lot of vlad. And i do not face him alot. And when i do he dosent carry. Plat vlad players arent good. But hes still broken. Thw facy i face bad people dosent mean hes bad

ReySolomonApr 24, 20192 votes

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I actually play a lot of vlad. And i do not face him alot. And when i do he dosent carry. Plat vlad players arent good. But hes still broken. Thw facy i face bad people dosent mean hes bad

So if you don't see him a lot and when you do see him he doesn't carry?

So tell me do you see Vayne/Riven/Kayle more often than him? if you do (i'm sure you do) you'll see they can hard carry and are more broken than Vladimir is right now.

also I agree he's not picked a lot and when I do see other people pick him they don't know what they are doing xD

letsfeedtogetherApr 24, 20192 votes

Yes. But he isnt thw carry because the player suck. Not the other way around. I do thin k vayne and riven are broken.

ReySolomonApr 24, 20192 votes

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Yes. But he isnt thw carry because the player suck. Not the other way around. I do thin k vayne and riven are broken.

That's what I was asking so..

do you think Vladimir should be looked at before vayne/riven/kayle? also remember Vladimir's E was nerfed last time they touched him.

Sir SaltarinApr 24, 20191 votes

Yes.

I dont understand how he has avoided nerfs for so many time considering how strong he is on high elos and pro play

If I have to chose between nerfing Vayne Riven or Vlad I go for Vlad easily.

ReySolomonApr 24, 20192 votes

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Yes.

I dont understand how he has avoided nerfs for so many time considering how strong he is on high elos and pro play

If I have to chose between nerfing Vayne Riven or Vlad I go for Vlad easily.

xD Alright.

LordGeovanniApr 25, 20191 votes

or you can deal with multiple problems at the same time because we arent toddlers who can only control one limb at a time.

ReySolomonApr 25, 20191 votes

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or you can deal with multiple problems at the same time because we arent toddlers who can only control one limb at a time.

This works too.

LordGeovanniApr 25, 20191 votes

vlad has to literally use his pool to catch the entire top line bar the ranged ones to even remotely threatened by any of them

5050BSApr 24, 20191 votes

Yep

Basically if a Smurf using the champ to stomp low Elo, the champ needs work.

Oh and not sure how Riot can keep him with China's new Gaming laws. (cant have blood of any color)

SalronApr 25, 20191 votes

I don't see the problem Just buy Grievous wounds so he has a little less hp when he 1shots your entire team while being untargetable lol

RavenbornApr 25, 20191 votes

He can use many nerfs

SuleymannekeApr 30, 20191 votes

Vlad is litterly the most broken champ in lol, heals 1k+ even if you ignite him or have morello, hes W should have a 40+ sec cd and hes q should be min 13 sec even with 45% cd, now he heals 800+ every 3 seconds late game