IT"S HAPPENING!!!!! Wit's and Trinity changes

Irelia Bot·May 18, 2016·17 votes·2,424 views

http://www.surrenderat20.net/2016/05/517-pbe-update.html

Stinger is replacing Zeal in Trinity Force Trinity force still has movement speed and lost the 20% crit chance for another 10% CDR and 25% more attack speed. and the cost was reduced by 200.

Wit's end Lowered to 2500 from 2800. While this item will still be a bit funky given that it's full power is still locked to mostly magic damage champs it is now justifiable to consider on more then just Warwick, Shyvana and Kayle.

From Irelia, Jax and Xin players THANK YOU!!!!

EDIT: Yes I know Irelia might get nerfed a bit but these items changes are completely worth the cost of being nerfed a little.

101 Comments

SaltyKrackaMay 18, 20168 votes

They're going to have to nerf Irelia.

Irelia BotMay 18, 20162 votes

They might have to do that but they might not. I don't know and as long as it is not a huge nerf that make her unplayable I don't care.

Trinity will be reliable damage and not in part RNG damage and that is a good thing in my eyes.

Also MAOKAI NERFS. Not huge but decent sized.

SaltyKrackaMay 18, 20164 votes

Considering she's already at a 51% winrate before all this other stuff?

Yeah, they're gonna have to nerf her.

Irelia BotMay 18, 20166 votes

Does not mean Riot will actually be doing anything.

Volibear has been at 54% + win rate for jungle all season but he has had no nerfs aimed at him so don't get to excited.

SaltyKrackaMay 18, 20161 votes

Volibear's not getting itemization changes aimed directly at him.

Irelia BotMay 18, 20165 votes

ANd he has been doing well with the itemization changes made a while ago and no nerfs aimed at him still.

YOu seem to be getting optimistic about the idea of Irelia nerfs though.

SaltyKrackaMay 18, 20163 votes

It's not that hard to see. If they're going to buff classic cancer, they're going to have to end up nerfing classic cancer

Irelia BotMay 18, 20164 votes

Voli is cancer to many other melee.

Assassins being able to blow up targets is cancer if you are the target.

Cancer in this context can be rather subjective.

SaltyKrackaMay 18, 20161 votes

When it comes to Irelia? It can't.

Irelia BotMay 18, 20163 votes

Is this because Irelia got a mana cost buff on Q so you no longer can easily out sustain her trades in lane while playing Susan by jsut makign her run out of mana?

I will admit that the nasus matchup was one of the ones most impacted by the Q changes and not because of the AD ratio increase.

SaltyKrackaMay 18, 20161 votes

Mostly I was thinking of the way that Irelia's a ball of stats who, as soon as she gets ahead, will q up, stun for free, and win a trade without having to think.

Irelia BotMay 18, 20163 votes

Nasus is a ball of stats with endless scaling.

What is really the difference?

SaltyKrackaMay 18, 20162 votes

One has a gapcloser, stun, and no mana issues.

The other is slow, weak early, and has all the mana issues.

Irelia BotMay 18, 20162 votes

you think Nasus has mana issues?

You clearly were not playing back in season 2.

Irelia BotMay 18, 20163 votes

20/25/30/35/40 for Q based on ability rank

Lower base Mana, 150 mana cost compared to the current 100 for his ult.

You think the mana issues are badnow? You have no idea what they once were.

SaltyKrackaMay 18, 20162 votes

That was also the time that Nasus was completely unplayable.

I don't see much point in bringing it up.

IcyPepperMay 18, 20163 votes

stun for free

Define "for free." I see "free" thrown around a lot. That's all her E does. It's part of her kit. It even costs mana.

Irelia BotMay 18, 20162 votes

And it has to be used at the right time to be a stun. But people seem to ignore that it is conditional for being a stun.

MunchCrunchLunchMay 20, 20161 votes

actually when they buffed cinderhulk he was sitting at 55% winrate

VesarixxMay 18, 20167 votes

Gangplank indirect nerf to this guy

and one less build path for Yasuo

TheOvermindMay 18, 20161 votes

Yeah the only reason I don't like the new triforce is because I get 20% less crit on my GP now my build : item 3031 item 3078 item 3508 item 3047 item 3742 item 3065 other than that I kinda like it. I'm sure everyone liked the 20% crit tho

YumaS2AstralMay 18, 20161 votes

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Yeah the only reason I don't like the new triforce is because I get 20% less crit on my GP now my build : other than that I kinda like it. I'm sure everyone liked the 20% crit tho

There is also the fact that Nasus and Hecarim may overcap the CDR if they decide to go for Triforce + Frozen Heart + Spirit Visage. Back to IBG builds I guess.

VesarixxMay 18, 20161 votes

item 3025 gives 20% CDR now too though

YumaS2AstralMay 18, 20162 votes

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gives 20% CDR now too though

Yes but if you build IBG you don't need to build Frozen Heart.

The reason why people build Frozen Heart together with Trinity Force is to compensate the lack of armor on Triforce. Also because both items complement each other very well: 20% CDR + 10% CDR. Add Spirit visage and you can reach 40% easily. Especially because both Nasus and Hecarim actually have natural sustain thus they synergize very well with Spirit Visage.

However, with Triforce now giving an extra 10% CDR, you must think if overcapping CDR may not be a problem if you want all those item's effects.

VesarixxMay 18, 20161 votes

item 3078 item 3031 item 3087 item 3046 item 3158 item 3072 is how I've been building him

TheOvermindMay 18, 20161 votes

holy shit you are so squishy it's not even funny man

agars28May 18, 20163 votes

A tanky GP is pretty useless tbh. He needs to be doing damage

TheOvermindMay 18, 20162 votes

That is well and truly correct A Full tank GP is useless. But look at my build, lots of AD 60% crit lots of rsistaances and bonus HP. If u go full glass canon you wont survive to do all that damage u have put your gold into.

MunchCrunchLunchMay 19, 20161 votes

does dead mans proc into your barrells?

VesarixxMay 18, 20161 votes

That's the carry build, 100% crit, 45% CDR with runes and masteries, boatloads of damage

TheOvermindMay 18, 20161 votes

Yeah I've also seen a high elo GPs get some tank in there and it makes total sense to me. I guess you can go full carry if you are doing great or you are fed.

VesarixxMay 19, 20161 votes

The build apparently originated with a player called Tobias Fate, who plays GP as a mid laner primarily, N3ac3y recently spammed it mid and top during a grind to masters. I'm hoping if the change does go through that they consider introducing a new sheen item with crit chance for the champions that do make good use of the critical strike and sheen proc

SnowFallMay 18, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Raith alghul,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=WeHEFiQP,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2016-05-18T02:29:22.601+0000)

indirect nerf to this guy

and one less build path for

more like Yasuo will always build it after IE

VesarixxMay 19, 20161 votes

That would delay getting lifesteal though so maybe as a forth item.

ZorasamaMay 18, 20163 votes

Well, R.I.P in peace, GP.

MLDzXnRRRMay 18, 20163 votes

Nasus - more AS = useless, while the crit was good for him Yasuo = rip Gangplank = rip Corki = rip, I will be getting this item 3508 At least Jax and Irelia can't "outplay" you anymore with crits.

XIII VanitasMay 18, 20162 votes

They basically nerfed GP, Corki and Yasuo to buff (?) Irelia and Jax.

SasogwaMay 18, 20161 votes

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- more AS = useless, while the crit was good for him = rip = rip = rip, I will be getting this At least Jax and Irelia can't "outplay" you anymore with crits.

Crit actually wasn't good either for Nasus, since it doesn't crit on the bonus damage of Q and getting AD on Nasus is bad, crit kinda sucks. AS as well, agreed, though it can at least go with the AD bonus of his ult (crit arguably can, but it's a bit worse)

MLDzXnRRRMay 19, 20161 votes

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Crit actually wasn't good either for Nasus, since it doesn't crit on the bonus damage of Q and getting AD on Nasus is bad, crit kinda sucks. AS as well, agreed, though it can at least go with the AD bonus of his ult (crit arguably can, but it's a bit worse)

How is Crit worse than AS when you have high base AD and steal AD with ult? You can't DPS anyone with autoattacks, before getting melted by CC. One of the most popular Nasus streamers plays Nasus with CDR and crit runes....

HotChillyMay 18, 20162 votes

A lot of champions will really enjoy this change. My poor Gangplank is sad though

Irelia BotMay 18, 20164 votes

GP and Yasuo are really the only 2 hating this change.

Corki is likely fairly neutral and all the on hit fighters have been lacking any attack speed items that felt good to get.

XIII VanitasMay 18, 20162 votes

I strongly disagree. Corki really likes crit chance now and since he's more geared towards bursting the enemies with abilities and autos, rather than auto-attacking them to death, I think the bonus AS will be worthless on him.

XIII VanitasMay 18, 20161 votes

Who is going to enjoy the Trinity changes besides Irelia and Jax?

WenderwallMay 18, 20161 votes

. More %HP damage, no more armor.

Also MasterYi can use it, if he wants to go bruiser. 40%+250hp+20cdr+25AD+% MS + 200% base AD after Alpha. That said, Yi has lot of options, I won't be surprised if it becomes a thing for him. item 1419 item 3111 item 3078 item 3022 item 3072 item 3142 with >25%AS from runes. He'll reach 2AS ( 2.5 with highlander) so easily, Ghostblade gives 40% AS.

XIII VanitasMay 18, 20161 votes

Crit chance is always a good stat on Yi. Also, Vi doesn't build Trinity because it costs too much. The good Vis, right now, are building item 1412 and item 3025 .

WenderwallMay 18, 20161 votes

can build it too, agreed it's expensive. I usually build item 1400 item 3071 item 3025 etc. Now that TF is a bit cheap with 20% CD, it can be replace both to get 20%CDR+ 200% bonus Base AD (sheen proc), which was provided by BC +IBG, for a better slot efficiency.

MasterYi - glass cannon is all crit. ( that's what I usually build). If I want to build bruiser ( to bait enemies, works like a charm) non-crit build has to be used.

Note: item 3715 or item 3706 is team dependent. You got mobile and agile champs then stalker is needed.

XIII VanitasMay 18, 20161 votes

But Vi isn't really all about doing the damage herself. Having a tanky utility-based build is way better than going damage and it synergizes well with her innate passive. I used to go Trinity all the time in S5, but it was because there weren't better options.

WenderwallMay 19, 20161 votes

Vi scaled way too well with bonus AD. Her R,AA, Q( if running away) will do a lot of damage. She is a bruiser and building her just tank is waste of her power.
Her R does + 105% bonus AD and Q does minimum of +160%BonusAD. With the R+AA+Q combo and sheen proc ( TF 200%) that's a LOT of damage.

New TF will increase her damage considerably and giving her slot efficiency ( with 20%CDR + 10%CDR from warriror) she can get 3 tanky items and kill ADC with one full combo + tanking entire team.

item 1412 item 3078 item 1001 item 3742 item 3065 item 3053 or item 3022 or item 3110 or item 3156 is a carry. Building her with only tanky items means mid-late game she won't be able her damage reduces. She can peel but not kill anyone.

XIII VanitasMay 19, 20161 votes

That's why you build item 1412 item 3025 item 3053 item 3156 . TF gives only 25 AD, which is a really small amount.

WenderwallMay 19, 20161 votes

I'm saying slot efficiency. Also item 3053 and item 3156 have same passives so if one triggers other one goes on CD as well. I do rather get item 3065 / item 3102 or item 3139 for that additional MR.