Scarizard on Vayne

I was reading Surrender at 20, when I found this on reddit.

I'd like to expand on this point, because i think Meddler's intent may be misunderstood; It's not so much that Vayne 'doesn't have a glaring weak point' - It's just that her weaknesses period aren't really manifesting. FNot every champion should be 'strong early, weak late' or 'weak early, strong late' (though this paradigm is often commonly seen among ADC's). However, 'okay all around but not amazing at any one specific thing' is how we end up with champions like Brand and Vel'Koz - they're fun and feel unique, but in the end are indistinguishable from a lineup of mages because they don't excel in a specific area (why not take someone that has a strength that stands out?) Now, stepping further towards Vayne - 'okay all around, but not amazing at one specific thing' isn't true in her case. She's pretty top-tier at skirmishing and cleaning up, but her relative weaknesses (waveclear, sieging) clearly aren't presenting themselves at the moment. Reliability here simply means 'this champion's supposed to be a risky, but if you just pick it there's high likelihood you can take over the game anyway'. I can think of a few other champions (Gangplank, Fiora) that might be too reliable for how they're intended to play out atm, but that's my opinion. I touched on a lot of different concepts here super lightly/quickly, so feel to hit me up if you wanna dive deeper. the deal w/ Vayne though is we're not exactly certain on what a changelist looks like for her (or if we're even truly going to do anything about her for 5.18, or all) so Vayne changes aren't set in stone. That said, from the conversations I've had if we were to change her we'd be looking at ways to detract from her high-end as little as possible and instead focus on 'what can the enemy do to react to her or stop her from going off?' this could present itself in a lot of ways, but like i said, still far out. just wanted to drop by and add my perspective - i don't think we're against having some 'safe' picks generally, but well-rounded champion is a tricky (but not impossible) place to be as our roster expands

Let me preface this with this: no one is thinking of lowering Vayne's range. The general feeling is she's lost a lot of her risk factor - I'd agree that people pick vayne because she's fun - but i'd argue it's also because she's super reliable and strong; that said, we're not looking to make her disappear entirely. As for other marksman, there's a lot of stuff you'll see post-worlds focused on the role and its general power/satisfaction ratio, though i'm not really looped in to the specifics, nor would this be the avenue to preview those. For the interim, we had buffs to Lucian and Twitch in 5.16 and we're currently planned for even more tuning to the 'lesser' marksmen in 5.18.

Thoughts? Apparently I don't know how to link things, or it's not showing up.