Seriously, tired of seeing dumb threads about how every champ is OP.
Some champs are tougher then others, but I garuntee if you play AS a champ to the point you are comfortable with them, you can play AGAINST them with anyone. Its called getting better.
Knowing is half the the battle.
PDE5 Inhibitors61 votesPSA: Knowing how to deal with a champ doesn't make them any less OP or bullshit.
CptPic4rd5 votesI have a hard time understanding how a champ can be OP and still be beatable. If you can beat a champ, AKA you can win against them, then how are they too powerful?
What character do you struggle to beat Yasuo with, for example?
PDE5 Inhibitors31 votesI have a hard time understanding how a champ can be OP and still be beatable. If you can beat a champ, AKA you can win against them, then how are they too powerful?
OP does NOT = unbeatable. Every single champ in the game is beatable. They could boost a champ until their winrate is 85% and the champ would still be beatable..but also probably OP. I'm not sure how you can't understand such a simple notion.
KaisadiIIa4 votesIf you think Yasuo is OP and you make a post with an explanation and a reasoning of why that shouldn't happen is OK, regardless of how popular your opinion are (I can completely disagree with you but take your opinion as acceptable, which is something people seem to forget).
If you think Yasuo is OP and make a post with "Yasuo OP noobchamp I mean he can dash infinitely and and a wall that block projectiles? You must be high RITO you can block Veigar's ult with a basic skill. F*ck Yasuo. And Lee Sin.", then you better say nothing.
Melledoneus2 votes
All I learned by playing this French whore Demacian duelist is that you can beat a 5/1 Riven with nothing but a 
because of bullshit damage.
CubedJustice2 votesI think the only way that's plausible is if Riven maxed her stun second, and it got parried, along with her third Q.
Melledoneus2 votesI did parry both in one move, and it wasn't even that hard. Then I just ulted her, got the vitals, a full heal, and rekt her face. And this Riven was stomping a Garen, so I'm going to assume he knew what he was doing.
My Waifu Vanilla1 votesFiora Mid?
Melledoneus2 votesJungle. And I was failing horribly.
Mecha MaIphite40 votesbut yasuo is so ez i could firsrt time him and get a pentakill
plays yasuo and feeds
lag
Dehitay29 votesFrom the title, I honestly thought this was going to be a thread about playing attack speed versions of champions to find their weakness. I am disappointed
Heckin Support3 votesThought I was the only one
Penns22 votesPlaying AS Thresh makes me realize that there is 0 counterplay lol
Pierce The Veal6 votesPlaying AS Thresh makes me realize that there is 0 counterplay lol
I agree so much.
The playmaking potential on thresh combined with his overall safeness is ridiculous. I'm not sure why:
Timewinder5 voteswhy would you build attack speed on thresh
Ultraboomer13 votesDid anybody else see this and expect it to be funny because they thought that AS was meant to mean Attack Speed because it was capitalized?
Full Brain6 votesDid anybody else see this and expect it to be funny because they thought that AS was meant to mean Attack Speed because it was capitalized?
[slayer-pantheon-thumbs] This thread was a major disappointment.
Hot Toddy11 votesI LOVE playing Attack Speed 
! I'm glad someone shares my passion!
Gubaguy8 votesIve played with fiora, still dont know how to beat her.
Ive been playgin with trist all day, and while i understand her skillset now, ive seen how easy it is to pump out damage without ever being in danger and dont know how to beat her.
I used to play mundo before, and i thought i knew hwo to beat him now... but turns out grievous wounds does f*ck all to him... and i dont know how to beat him either.
also, jsut becuase i know HOW to beat someone, doesnt make them any less bullshit OP. like vayne, who i can now destoy with 90% of my ADC's, but i still think shes pure BS with her scaling HP% true damage, and being bale to build 0 damage and win games.
WalkingInACircle7 votesPlaying Syndra made me more scared of her than before. Champ is underrated.
DrNova2 votesShe is pretty good. Not many people take the time to learn her though.
I got good with her on release when she was considered weak. Moved on eventually but still like her.
Beldair2 votesI love me some Syndra. Atlantean Syndra (me) wreck Kassadin in mid. I just prefer my Haunted Zyra even though my win rate may be low (still fun) besides, how else will i be better with the plant queen unless i change the scenery in mid as her?
1000angrybees7 votesI'm not buying every god damn champ in this game just to play them and hate playing them because I don't find them fun. That and it's expensive. And it doesn't even entirely nullify that some have problems regardless.
7ha7guy7777 votesI've played at least 1 game as every champion except 
. Free week is a beautiful thing.
Dreadlocks6 votesYeah but its easier to just QQ about something and hope that the people in charge dumb things down to their level. Sad =\
SociopathFriend5 votesThen again, playing as some champions makes you more certain than ever they're stupid. First time I ever played Zed I got a penta. First time I ever played Heimer I got a quadra just by dropping turrets and using Zhonya. First time I ever played Shaco I was almost impossible for the enemy to catch and couldn't be fought 1v1 (still lost though).
Some champions aren't OP, but they are easy to learn and do well with even if you've never used them before.
kaltenashes5 votesa blind op monk once said 
"Master yourself, master the enemy."
Dar Raksada2 votesa blind op monk once said
wait, isn't that a Karma quote?
kaltenashes5 votesnah, 
says : "To conquer one's self is to conquer all."
Old Man Teeto5 votes
vs 
Hmm... Never ever go near him... ever.
Good counterplay.
Pierce The Veal4 votesSeriously, tired of seeing dumb threads about how every champ is OP.
Some champs are tougher then others, but I garuntee if you play AS a champ to the point you are comfortable with them, you can play AGAINST them with anyone. Its called getting better.
Knowing is half the the battle.
I'd like to know how to play against every champion. How much time and ip might I have to spend?
RIP my life. Apparently we have to master a champion to not have to deal with their annoying parts.
ahferroin72 votesThe thing is, most champs fall into one of a few categories of counter play:
The last one works on any champ, but requires that you are able to understand how to make them vulnerable (for example, Illaoi is vulnerable when you pull her right after she ults or spawns a tentacle).
Gentzer4 votesPretty true, I've been playing Darius alot and it's helped a TON in countering him in most matchups.
Trade against Darius quickly. Never commit to a AA slugfest unless theres 0 chance of failure, otherwise Noxian Might almost guarantees outrading. Poke if possible.
Do everything in your power to avoid the Q blade. Even if you have to get closer to him, missing the blade wastes his limited mana pool and his best trade tool.
If Darius gets Noxian Might, give him a few seconds to cool. Without hitting a champ, the buff doesn't last long, stay just outside his ranges until the buff goes away.
RiverWind04071 votesTY! Just went against a Darius. Looking back, if I knew this beforehand, it would've been a lot easier. At least I know now. [slayer-jinx-wink]
Gentzer2 votesNo probs! I like to work under the assumption that no champ is uncounterable, sure I have champs I hate playing against (
but every matchup usually has some conditions that decide how the lane goes. While a bunch of people were posting saying "Illaoi OP. I played as AND against her and found a bunch of fairly easy counterplay.
Fight Illaoi if she grabs your soul. She'll have to decide between fighting you and wasting her E, or fighting the spirit and letting you free hit her, not to mention hitting Illaoi reduces the time the spirit is up.
When brawling with Illaoi, always be in motion, buy items that grant Move Speed if you can, and always move. Her tentacles don't predict movement, so always moving while fighting will help you dodge alot of damage.
Illaoi's ult is not that scary in 1v1s. In a teamfight you'll want to run if she gets a good one, but in a 1v1 it's no problem. one extra tentacle isn't a major threat and her ult on it's own does limited damage.
Kill tentacles were possible, especially is you have a auto attack reset.
Drugoth4 votesI like where you're going with this but this isn't always 100% true. Even if you play the champ a lot there is always going to be someone who's better than you or just plays the champ so differently that they will shatter expectations and beat you.
RocketRelm3 votesCorollary: Just because you can learn/know how to deal with a champion you hate won't necessarily make them any less Unfun to play against.
Mishli3 votesone big issue with this statement, the player has to be able to play the champion, i've got at least 5-10 games onto aatrox and still can't play him to save my life, he simply doesn't mesh with me at all, i simply do not understand exactly how he works, similarly with riven, i haven't been able to play her since late season 2 when they nerfed her regen, simply haven't been able to make her work for me since
Full Brain4 votesone big issue with this statement, the player has to be able to play the champion, i've got at least 5-10 games onto aatrox and still can't play him to save my life, he simply doesn't mesh with me at all, i simply do not understand exactly how he works, similarly with riven, i haven't been able to play her since late season 2 when they nerfed her regen, simply haven't been able to make her work for me since
I am terrible with Riven as well but apparently that is because she is hot garbage if you don't know how to exploit some wonky bullshit with her and animation canceling.
bookwormpete3 votesAny champion becomes OP when fed and played right.
Punkkee2 votesidk about that
DrNova1 votesGive me some examples of champs you think this wouldn't apply to.
Punkkee5 votessure One of my best supports, Thresh, is extremely versatile which generally revolves around him easily being able to switch around being aggressive and passive. His hook, because of the delay, gives the opportunity to predict jukes once you get to high gold/low plat. This, in my opinion, turns into a game of rock paper scissors. Say you shoot your hook predicting a juke to the left, and the enemy decides to juke straight. You miss Say you shoot your hook predicting a juke to the right, and the enemy decides to juke right. You hit Say you shoot your hook predicting a juke straight, and the enemy decides to juke right. You miss When it turns into this scenario, it turns into luck. Sure, if I'm against a Thresh, I will try to mix around the way I juke but ultimately, it comes down to luck
another example would be Anivia. Playing as her, I see that she strugges earlygame and she lacks strong mobility. She is susceptible to ganks and relies on cooldowns. But i also know that a good Anivia knows to play passive until level 6, where you have a targettable 500 damage with your e-r combo, and to ward a sidebrush and stick to it.
finally, Morgana. Morgana is probably one of my most played mid laners and supports. I see how much she revolves around her cooldowns, her lack of mobility that is covered up with brute CC and how much she falls if she fails to hit her bread and butter Q. I also see how she can cover up missing her Q by initiating with ult, but getting close enough is difficult and many champions with strong dashes can easily leave her radius. Playing against her, dodging skillshots is not necessarily easy. It has a big radius, and you are bound to be hit by a 3 second snare every once in a while. Once you do, you're doomed to take a ton of damage if not your life.
In conclusion, I wouldn't necessarily say that you can instantly learn how to deal with a champion through playing the champion. It comes down to personal skill (csing, warding, map pressure, map awareness, game knowledge, roam)
To furthur analyze, I'll talk about a matchup i've played about a million times. Riven vs Renekton Throughout most of laning phase, Riven will be scared, being denied of cs, and being punished heavily from Renekton. Renekton outdamges her at all parts of the game. Although, keep in mind that Riven has much more AoE and cooldowns that allows her to do more than renekton in teamfights. In this scenario, playing as renekton, I know that riven does more than me in teamfights. Does that help anything? not really Playing as Riven, I know that renekton dominates me in every part of the game. Does that give me more damage? not at all
TL;DR I bluntly disagree with you saying that " if you play AS a champ to the point you are comfortable with them, you can play AGAINST them with anyone" There are some champions that you simplify can't play against, because their kit offers more than you can handle, or because they are plain op. Yasuo vs Malz? Easily malz wins. Malz pushes yasuo into oblivion. But wait! yasuo played malz a couple times before that means that the push will stop and yasuo can win right? no yasuo will give up on lane Morde vs Vayne top Vayne will generally win. She will kite morde so he can't get his third q and if morde flashes for his third q, vayne will go invisible and outduel him BUT WAIT morde played vayne alot because he tryhards ranked he now knows that theres nothing he can do and gives up on lane
I said that I wasn't sure about this post. I did NOT say it was completely wrong because yes, knowledge affects battle. But so does game knowledge, csing skills, and junglers. These things don't come from playing the champion that you think is op. These things come from practice
assuming this is blind. in ranked it comes down to counterpicking
Derpsaaan2 votesIt is all opinion based. Some people blame champions, the game, instead of the player. However, I can not deny that some champs are more powerful than others. If you have played league enough, you will understand that some champs are not balanced. They need a nerf, since they are too over powered for the community. I mean, I agree, it is annoying that people complain about op champs and that every champ can be countered if played correctly. However, it still is undeniable how some champs need a buff or some need a nerf.
aítch2 votesCan you garuntee that you know how to spell guarantee?
Kingopants2 votesThis is false 
No amount of playing Annie will help you dodge flash tibbers or make her miss her Q.
