Why ADCs ARE and AREN'T in a bad spot.

Astôlfo··5 votes·1,036 views

Out of 18 potential ADCs, only 3 are doing horrible. 4 are below average, but not by much, and generally do fine. And then there's the handful of disgustingly overtuned ADCs.

ADCs themselves are not weak.

"BUT WHAT'S THE PROBLEM THEN WHY DO PEOPLE SAY THEY'RE BAD"

Well, to answer your question, dear anonymous speaker, there's generally 2 reasons.

1, they're clueless. or 2, they're saying that because ADCs are almost entirely lategame focused to achieve their ridiculously disgusting power levels.

I'll go more into 2, because going into 1 would be pointless.

Right now, first tower gold, early game focus meta, dragon control (and the resulting 4 man ganks in botlane), and ADCs generally having a weaker early because they scale with items instead of levels are things that are extremely relevant.

Sure, an ADC's lategame is monstrous. Whether it should or shouldn't be at the level it is currently is a different story.

No one in their right mind would ever let said enemy ADC reach that potential. 4-man ganks make first tower gold in botlane + gold leads extremely easy, while being incredibly tough pressure on the botlanes. In addition, dragons being important objectives means multiple enemy team members would be near botlane anyways, making the resulting 4-man gank even easier as simply a follow-up.

Next, early game power is where all the focus is at. This is also part of the reason why the only ADCs even relevant right now are the ones that have either a decent or a strong earlygame. (Which they really shouldn't, as an ADC, but that's a different story)

There's multiple problems with the way the whole system is set up. Some possible ideas would be removing first tower gold rewards and swapping the location of Herald-Baron and Dragon. The first would decrease the incentive for that massive botlane pressure rush as well as some of the early game power focus to try and get the first tower blood gold faster. The second would make it so the grouping would happen top/mid side rather than mid/botside. Herald is also useless in early for the most part due to how durable it is as well as the solo-laner buff being wasted on the duo lane. This could entail reworking Herald buff altogether, but for now, this should be a good start.

I think that would help alleviate a lot of the stress and problems botlane has to go through while simultaneously opening up relevant discussions to their balance and power levels and whether they do or don't need further tuning.

Thanks for reading!

14 Comments

Penns5 votes

I still think adcs facetanking assassins and critting them to death late game is dumb, but they have to be able to do that in order to maybe deal with broken tanks.

Rivuo1 votes

Only 3 are doing horrible? Have you tried to play ashe/tristana/varus/kalista/Lucian/Kogmaw/Sivir?

l not Faker l1 votes

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Rivuo2 votes

[{quoted}](name=l not Faker l,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=WYOnLLic,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2016-12-24T19:48:23.867+0000)

Here is Deft's Kog'Maw games.

https://kr.noobplease.com/kt%20deft?c=96

Deft has an 85% win rate with Twitch.

Deft is known as one of the top if not best adc in the world

You literally said ''Mike tyson threw a punch without putting his body into it so that means its viable to do''

No.

l not Faker l1 votes

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khorney1 votes

Kog has been in a bad spot since they nerfed him into not gaining attack speed then was nerfed after they changed fervor.hence why you never see him

Rivuo1 votes

[{quoted}](name=l not Faker l,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=WYOnLLic,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2016-12-24T19:55:18.096+0000)

So what about his Lucian stats?

https://kr.noobplease.com/kt%20deft?c=236

Thats 9 games. In which he won lane extremely hard in some of them... Im looking at them right now..

Astôlfo1 votes

I'm going off champion.GG's general averages.

The 3 I said were horrible were Urgot, Kalista, and Lucian. The others are doing actually decent or at least holding around average-50%.

khorney1 votes

Ashe is fine, trIst is fine Kal is to hard to balance one thing that would help would being able to switch targets on her black spear. Sivir is fine. Lucian is like varus to me. I post all this crap as to why varus is weaker but people say he is op and such I'm like umm no he isn't I have hundreds of games with him I'm pretty sure he isn't since they nerfed fervor from on hit to adding additional ad and changing armor pent to lethality which nerfed or flat out made his caster build useless. Varus has no attack speed buff that is reliable LIke trIst ashe sivir Kal.

Rivuo1 votes

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Ashe is fine, trIst is fine Kal is to hard to balance one thing that would help would being able to switch targets on her black spear. Sivir is fine. Lucian is like varus to me. I post all this crap as to why varus is weaker but people say he is op and such I'm like umm no he isn't I have hundreds of games with him I'm pretty sure he isn't since they nerfed fervor from on hit to adding additional ad and changing armor pent to lethality which nerfed or flat out made his caster build useless. Varus has no attack speed buff that is reliable LIke trIst ashe sivir Kal.

ashe and trist are NOT fine.

Sivir is NOT fine. Lucian is NOT fine. Varus is NOT fine.

khorney1 votes

Why are ashe and trIst not fine ? Why is sivir ? Why isn't luc?

Handy Sandy 1 votes

but then i won't get to see baron's face :C

khorney1 votes

Varus is in a shyt spot since he was inadvertently nerfed during the patch they had nerfed /changed fervor from on hit to adding additional ad. Then also when they changed armor pent/ nerfed it into lethality. This last part made his caster build useless and his on hit weaker but essentially left a boring standard crit build unchanged. But then they "buffed" him by making his passive last longer..... who cares his passive is useless and not reliable at all.....

khorney1 votes

Or just go top lane as the adc and supp instead of going bot lane? But dragon is bot so the 2 people adc and supp could have control over it . That's why adc and supp went bot in the first place.

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