"RIOT PLZ IT'S NOT FAIR ASSASSIN DELETE ME IN 0.5 SECONDS WHEN IM SQUISHY AND ALONE WITH NO RESISTS"

Astôlfo·Nov 13, 2016·28 votes·2,423 views

"Never mind the fact they need their entire combo. Never mind the fact 0.5s is enough time to react, and I had TONS of time to react to them coming near me before they even did their combo. Never mind the fact I can counterbuild. Never mind the fact I could have warded to see them coming. Never mind the fact I shouldn't have ever been alone in the first place."

Riot: "Sure thing! We'll gut them for you, make it impossible for them to actually assassinate and do their job, and then pass it off as a rework while still calling them '''assassins'''. Because no one will see through that, right?"

Literally any other champion group playerbase: "ADCs/Mages have some problems, could you address them?"

Riot: http://i.imgur.com/yiK4Tty.gif "Uh... yeah... we'll get right on that........ wait what did you say again?"

61 Comments

Critmaster GarenNov 13, 201625 votes

every time they overbuffed adc, and people reacted by picking anti adc tanks and assassins, riot reacted with nerfing tanks and assassins. i mean with the marksmen update when people were literally running 2 and 3 adc per team, the first champions on the chopping block after the preseason patch were rammus and malphite because they were played more and winning games because of these teamcomps.

not sure what you were expecting.

Kei143Nov 14, 20162 votes

you should have seen old taric's win rate in Pre-season 6 and early S6

PrimaquariusNov 13, 201612 votes

Shaco Akali got the best treatment in the rework wave

#Kappa

AstôlfoNov 13, 20168 votes

Shaco/Akali: "For our next trick, we'll make ourselves disappear... from viability." item 3070

Big LincolnNov 14, 20162 votes

to be fair AP shaco is noticeably stronger

AD build is gutted though rest in piece

WoonStruckNov 13, 20169 votes

Never mind the fact 0.5s is an extremely long time to react.

Invalidates any argument you might have attempted to make.

######Edit:Originally this is what OP stated.

Genocide VictimNov 13, 20167 votes

This game is a radc heaven. If you don't play adc you might wanna seek another game as league is garbage.

WoonStruckNov 13, 20166 votes

TBH though, assassins becoming closer to fighters is not a problem in itself.

Fighters need to be tankier now, better sticking power, possibly less damage.

Tanks need to be tankier now, possibly less damage.

ADCs need lower damage and less self-sufficiency.

Mages need lower damage, possibly more utility added to a select few.

Game is then balanced.

The problem is that this is Riot we're talking about.

What your argument should be is that ADCs and Mages are too powerful relative to assassins. Not whining about assassins being different now.

AstôlfoNov 13, 20164 votes

That moment when you realize the game and creators are at a point where the playerbase can't even expect the devs to do things.

The issue is, assassins are supposed to counter mages and ADCs though, as well as other squishies. But if ADCs excel in DPS, then an assassin can't beat them there. And if mages beat assassins in single-target burst, assassins can't beat them there either.

WoonStruckNov 13, 20165 votes

You should change your post to be more about how ADCs and mages are overloaded as shit, as opposed to a healthy direction for damage from assassins, considering its been creeping up an absurd amount the past few seasons.

Only way I won't agree with the assassin reworks is if Riot does nothing about mages and ADCs.

Currently I do not agree with it, especially because I do not believe Riot will balance ADCs and Mages properly.

zrWQMdGHtYNov 13, 20161 votes

I got a better idea... Just revert the assassins because they were fine already and this whole update is a joke... What you ask is to make the games over 40 mins..... Games aren't that fun to be over 30 mins...

RalanrNov 13, 20163 votes

That's more opinioned really. I remember a lot of people hated it when games ended before or at 20 minutes in the season 6 preseason.

zrWQMdGHtYNov 13, 20161 votes

People on the boards complain, about everything literally... You still didn't add me on steam so I'm heart broken. Plus if people hated fast games, then why did they cry to buff ADCs and mages?

RalanrNov 13, 20162 votes

[{quoted}](name=Kitty Katarina,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=WUGpcHf7,comment-id=000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-11-13T22:57:22.631+0000)

People on the boards complain, about everything literally...

That's literally the internet in a nutshell.

You still didn't add me on steam so I'm heart broken. Plus if people hated fast games, then why did they cry to buff ADCs and mages?

Because people tend to cry for buffs to their champions in general? Fast games were also a side effect of marksman getting buffed/reworked, not an overall intended effect.

zrWQMdGHtYNov 14, 20161 votes

I don't like when my champion gets buffed t.t false logic ! And I play her since release! t.t and it was not a side effect, it was obvious to happen... I mean who would think that an adc that hits 2000 dmg in 1 second will make games faster... right?

NineTailedMysticNov 14, 20162 votes

People on the boards complain, about everything literally...

Because group of people A complain about X on the board, Riot changes X. Group A is now satisfied and stops posting about it. Group B now complains about Y, likely due to changes they made along with changing X. It's two different groups of people complaining, it's not like its the same person posting repeatedly.

zrWQMdGHtYNov 14, 20161 votes

It pretty much is... Because the same ppl who called me 0 skill and broken are complaining about the same again... And I say it was pointless to rework if they'll stay wi th their old flame and complain 24/7... Better give back what was fine than forcing me to learn new kits whiel I still get flamed the literally same way... Tired of this "faceroll" and "no skill" flames every single game even with the new kit...

NineTailedMysticNov 14, 20162 votes

Old Kat was not fine. New Kat is okay, even if a little UP.

zrWQMdGHtYNov 14, 20161 votes

Old kit is bad only for people who don't want to improve and just wanted her gutted so they can have easier lives as ADCs...

NineTailedMysticNov 14, 20162 votes

Old Kat was legitimately the definition of feast or famine and no counterplay. QEWR was virtually instant and lethal. Sure in teamfights she might get out with one kill before being CC'd out of ult, but Old Kat was not healthy for the game.

zrWQMdGHtYNov 14, 20161 votes

Her old combo had counter play. She could be shut down if ahead. She could be gotten ahead if behind. Feast of femine calls 0 counterplayer, never beatable and same time never managable to get back if behind... All 3 factors are denied by the fact theres' 120 counter champs and 5 counter items which can be used by 100% everyone. Plus she could never fall behind so bad to never coem back or go ahead to not be able to be counter by 1 item or spell... All your arguments are invalid. Riot uses that term as an excuse only, because of ADC and mage mains like you that complain that she's OP while she's not. And Im a minority and you're a majority, so they pref to maek you happy and make me leave the game than to leave me happy and you crying 24/7 on the boards how OP she is. Actually she'll soon get an ew rework because people like you keep flamming me ingame how broke and no skill Katarina is and there were few such in the boards aswell... SO GZ, soon her Q will be a skillshot ,her R halfed and the rest of the kit same, only because people like you keep crying untill she doesnt fall to a basisis of 0 damage, 20 sec CD and 0 HP...

NineTailedMysticNov 15, 20161 votes

When did I ever say she was OP? I said she was unhealthy for the game, with little counterplay to her full combo.

I don't see why you're attacking me about it.

zrWQMdGHtYNov 15, 20161 votes

You're the one attacking me. Unhealthy = OP, same as 0 counterplay = OP... Learn what OP means... You literally call her Op by using the 2 tearms. FUN FACT, she had counterplay and she was healthy. Just because ADC mains and Mage mains couldn't be bothered to actually try to learn to play, doesn't make her unhealthy....

NineTailedMysticNov 15, 20161 votes

Unhealthy CAN mean OP, but it usually refers to play patterns that aren't good for the game. In this case, it was that she either died in lane and became useless or she got 1 kill and became a monster. 0 Counterplay means that once she jumped on you, she either killed you instantaneously if she's even or ahead (unless you both just hit 6) or she was behind and maybe half healthed you and promptly died.

Very little inbetween for old Kat.

PennsNov 13, 20164 votes

Why would adcs need a flat out nerf tho? I always see people saying adcs are op but.. why? And "they are unkillable drain tanks" doesnt count lol.

WoonStruckNov 13, 20167 votes

Because one auto is enough to be considered burst coming from ADCs anywhere after their first or second item. And they can do that 1+ times a second.

Compare that to mages who have CDs. And ADCs get lifesteal on top of that.

Meanwhile mages do what assassins did from 600+ range, and with far more utility.

Some ADCs have just as much if not more utility, if not more, than many mages or assassins.

ADCs and mages are objectively overloaded atm.

PennsNov 13, 20164 votes

Yeah, after 4-5 items. Thats the thing, I feel like people always just ignore the first 30 min, possibly more, of an adcs life lol.

Ill agree that (burst) mages are kind of too strong compared to assassins, but adcs...

WoonStruckNov 13, 20163 votes

Ill agree that (burst) mages are kind of too strong compared to assassins, but adcs...

Are too strong compared to assassins...

Squishy (a choice) =/= weak.

PennsNov 13, 20163 votes

Well the general opinion here is that adcs are too strong, but I never see a reason for that other than "I main tanks and they kill me late game", while on other sites like Youtube or even Reddit for example the general opinion is basically "playing adc in 2016 lul". So..

WoonStruckNov 13, 20163 votes

Most do whine just to whine, but the fact of the matter is the game is damage creeping hard, and masteries, ADC, and mage changes seem to be a large part of the cause of it.

All three need to be dialed back for the assassin rework (and incoming diver rework) to be a success.

RalanrNov 13, 20162 votes

Yeah I've noticed that there's a really big difference in opinion on what's OP or what meta it is over here and on Reddit. Reddit (from what I can tell) believes it is a tank meta, but I'm not sure if they mean actual tanks or just building tanky because the community is so large that you're not going to get a definitive answer.

PennsNov 13, 20162 votes

From what Ive seen so far, the team with the better front line that can use the new keystone pretty much always wins, so Id go with tank/fighter meta. Might be because people actually play assassins again now tho because they are new.

RalanrNov 14, 20161 votes

{quoted}

From what Ive seen so far, the team with the better front line that can use the new keystone pretty much always wins, so Id go with tank/fighter meta. Might be because people actually play assassins again now tho because they are new.

Honestly even before the new keystone I've felt that was the case. The frontline is important after all.

NineTailedMysticNov 14, 20161 votes

It's not Burst Mages that are weak, it's control mages like Orianna, Viktor, Cassiopeia, etc.

SalronNov 14, 20166 votes

{quoted} Never mind the fact 0.5s is enough time to react

You what

TheHappyReaperzNov 14, 20165 votes

Rengar ults you, jumps on you, kills you in .5 seconds. Lots of counterplay there.

AstôlfoNov 14, 20164 votes

Pre-rework or post-rework?

Pre-rework: You had pink wards and could stick with your team who could just CC him.

Post-rework: Control wards reveal him and he only gains said crit benefit on the closest target, aka, don't be on the outer edges of your team, shift around as needed, CC him as needed.

There is/was lots of counterplay in either version.

TheHappyReaperzNov 14, 20165 votes

Because there is an assassin on the enemy team, I should have to spend the entire game next to them, and hope to whatever being guides their hands, that they have the reaction time to save me from being one-shot. That's not counterplay. That's the illusion of counterplay.

AstôlfoNov 14, 20168 votes

??? No?

You shouldn't wander off by yourself if you don't have vision of them. If you don't like that, don't play a squishy damage carry.

And you can counterbuild, ward, and react just as well as your teammates can. Yes, it is counterplay.

TheHappyReaperzNov 14, 20162 votes

That's not me being a squishy carry, that's me being a bruiser. That's what old Rengar, and most of the old assassins, were like. You were either full tank, and cc'd them long enough for the people with damage to kill them, or you dared to build some form of damage item, and got instakilled.

AstôlfoNov 14, 20161 votes

Uh, no, they weren't. If you were a bruiser and you were getting assassinated anyways, the rest of your team was either complete garbage and fed them to hell and back, or you're doing something seriously wrong.

TheHappyReaperzNov 14, 20161 votes

So, I'm a bruiser, I have around 3k hp, 100 or so armour. A crazed knife cat jumps out from nowhere, Qs me, about a third of my health is gone. Auto's me, for a nice 600-800 crit. That's another third gone. Empowered Q, and I'm dead.

Irelia BotNov 14, 20165 votes

Rengar was basically the only true problematic assassin due to his play style having the ! show up oftentimes less then a second before he would go in on a target. Unless they had flash up they would usually be dead before they could do anything about it.

And the fact that Orianna ball on Rengar was effective in competitive play suggests that even at the highest level his counter play was unrealistic to put into effect.

PiVoRxNov 13, 20164 votes

Meanwhile, mages are doing assassins job much better than assassins themselfs.

Emerald FangNov 14, 20164 votes

Nevermind the fact that Cait can deal 1600 damage to them before they have a chance to press a key.

The DeckownerNov 13, 20163 votes

IDK man, it seems like Rito is ok with triple or even quadra carry comps, then nerf champs that is good against triple or quadra carry comp like assassins.

TurquoiseYoshiNov 14, 20163 votes

Pretending like anyone on these Boards act rationally about their roles or any other roles. There is constant whining about ADCs (especially Vayne) right now, it really isn't polite requesting. Just like it is with assassins, or mages, or divers, or any freaking champion except Shen for some reason.

JbelsNov 14, 20162 votes

The only assassin I really have a problem with is Rengar. Somehow he feels just as bursty as he used to, and he looks easier to play than he ever was

AstôlfoNov 14, 20163 votes

Rengar and Kha'zix are disgusting right now. But that's just about it.

feryvunnyNov 14, 20162 votes

Have to agree. Kha because he has a lower CD on Q and more damage on passive.

Rengar because he essentially gets a free AD deathcap for what was it again? Oh yeah. Killing. 5. Targets. Yes Riot, it is very difficult for an assassin to get 5 unique kills. This makes complete sense. Ty Riot.

I can play rengar, feed my ass off and still manage to get 15 + 30% free AD by pressing R>QQWEQWEWQEQWWQEQWEWQQQQQ

Can't tell you how many times I've seen a rengar delete a squishy in 0.5s or less even without having an absurd amount kills. He can still burst like before. The difference now is that his new kit lets him build tank items and still do stupid damage.