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Next patch more people will quit then ever before

TheBrothersGrymm··1 votes·1,187 views

ok so next patch is the ad update, let me break it down for you, adcs need 3 items for 100%crit now, new ie does true damage, new lord dom/executioners do pure pen not bonus, so adcs will build, ie, shiv, cannon, bloodthirster, boots and lord dom, AND THEY WILL BE THE STRONGEST THEY HAVE EVER BEEN crit build is 2k gold cheaper and stronger, pen is real not bonus and they all will get a lifesteal item they will be unkillable and people are gunna quit left and right, no riot wont admit they are lowkey buffing adcs ofcourse not, so yea thanks riot you buff the strongest role in the game to a level unseen before, sure adcs mains will love it, but supports are gunna get 1 shot all game now tanks are utterly useless with the new pen, adcs are gunna abuse the new blade rune, wow riot when you wonder why league is slowly dying and people are going to fortnite just look at this next patch it so unbalenced it laughable, 3 item 100% crit is the dumbest thing ever and its 2k gold cheaper then before and does 20% true damage like your balence team is clearly drunk, when players quit just look in the mirror you did it to yourself

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DerMangoJoghurt5 votes

That's a lot of cherry picking and wrong information.

D357R0Y3R2 votes

the boards

TheBrothersGrymm1 votes

its really not tho, adcs are getting more health and better scaling builds thats a fact

SithesisLord2 votes

adcs

better scaling builds

Almost as if it's a class composed of mostly SCALING champions.

MrHaZeYo5 votes

While you're kind of right, you're mostly just misinformed.

ADCs are strong at two items IE/Shiv currently, but not only does that two item spike cost more, it really doesn't turn on into the 3rd item which means their power spike is actually far more expensive.

IE gets a worse build path and cost 300 more, all zeal items but PD are also 300 more expensive (while PD is 200) and now they need a 2nd Zeal item to hit their power spike so really their power spike is now 3,500 gold more expensive.

While LDR is gaining 10 AD and total Armor Pen, it'll come out pretty even vs tanks without the Giant Slayer effect, and this item also saw a 200 Gold increase as well.

IE switching from +50% Crit damage to 20% of Crit Damage is true damage will again come out, or maybe slightly ahead on tanks but be far weaker against squishy targets making it actually more balanced then it is now, thus they won't be bursting Mages and Assassins before they can burst them into the ground first.

BT out of the items you named in this example full build is the only item to get cheaper, so I actually have no idea how you got 2k cheaper, but it's actually 900 gold more expensive for full build.

ADCs will still be power houses late game, as they should be, but it's actually going to take time for them to turn on now, time in which the solo laners will have to snowball the game and keep them behind.

TheBrothersGrymm1 votes

ok so currently zeal items are 2600 so 2 of those is 5200, 3400 for ess and ie thats 6800, so 13k 100% crit, soo 900 gold more for the new item changes but you dont buy ess anymore, thats 2.5k gold cheaper and you get 100% crit...do you not see that sure it takes longer to hit your spike but it is way cheaper then before AND DOES TRUE DAMAGE

MrHaZeYo1 votes

I explained why it doing TRUE DAMAGE is actually healthier then what it is now. It may be cheaper to get 100% Crit, but 100 and 80 currently aren't much different with how Leagues RNG works. So all in all it is more expensive for ADs to both get to their power spikes and finish their builds which will give the solo laners more time to impact the game.

Still though, 3.5k more expensive to even hit their power spike.

ZephyrDrake4 votes

No idea who was building 4 crit items before for you to be saying "it's 2k gold cheaper to reach 100% crit chance!"

TheBrothersGrymm1 votes

next patch its 2.5k gold cheaper go look, and you get 100% crit 3 items fair

ZephyrDrake2 votes

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next patch its 2.5k gold cheaper go look, and you get 100% crit 3 items fair

yeah to get 100% crit which nobody ever cared to get until they sold their boots for a PD. Getting to 3 items isn't 2.5k gold cheaper, it's more expensive

Kai Guy2 votes

Let people who cant do math leave, i'm ok with this.

TheBrothersGrymm1 votes

its 15k gold for 100% crit now, next patch its 9.5k for 100% crit do you not see that, they also get 20% true damage on 100% crit, its also 1 item less so adcs can now build more lifesteal or pen

TheBrothersGrymm1 votes

oh and fyi i was wrong 100% crit is 5,5k cheaper ;)

Kai Guy1 votes

Lets first agree on what a realistic and reasonable 100% crit build is. 15k gold is probably a bit high im thinking. A current crit adc is likely to be a combination of 2 zeal lines item 3087 item 3094 item 3046 item 3085 2600 each. now obviously your going ham into crit if your building 100% crit so its not unreasonable to assume the player is going to build item 3031 . So 3 core items = 80% crit and costs 8600. This build hits 100% crit with 1200 gold for a zeal or 800 for a cloak depending on if your building for a 3 zeal or Reaver. That's only a cost of 9400 to 9800 to hit 100% crits.

New items? Lets see. IE gives double crit % and has 0% crit on it now. Given that you directly address it in your post its safe to assume its getting built. However the passive is at 15% true damage. 3700 gold. now we need to hit 50% off other items for that 100% So we need at least 1 zeal item, 2900 for 3 and 2800 for PD lets go the 100$ cheaper route with PD and thats 6500. To round it out we need 1300 zeal (item 1018 no longer has any items that use it so I removed it as an option). 7800.

That's not 5.5k gold mate. its 2k in a worst case. Its 1,500 best case. The new crit changes. Adcs come on line after 2-3 items, those items require more time to build and provide less of a early power spike then old items. Still going to be strong late game champions but they don't get to enjoy being strong vs everything with only 2 items and don't spike of 1 with the build path spiking them up as much with each purchase.

Comparative cost of the two builds for this lower power spike?

Old. 2600 + 3400 = This realistically does more damage, cost less gold, 10% less likely to land a crit but is 20 % higher during the build path once item 1018 is purchased

New. 2800/2900 + 3700 less damage. 3700 needs to be completed for crit % to increase. Build path is worse due to cost of 2 item 1038 Power spike is delayed.

When looking at items you don't just pick X fully built items and assume the champions power is going to come from that, how many non adc late game full build champions are Nightmares to deal with but actively not a problem in game because they rarely reach that point to to weaknesses in their kit or lane phase? Your math needs to account for the starting point and look at each step along the way. You can artificially inflate the gold gap between builds if you really want by claiming 100%... but your not looking for the cost efficient way to get there and then make the claim that there's a huge gap in the builds costs as you completely disregard wasted stats or useful stats in said builds. Going the item 3508 is going to give them CDR, AD, MP, its gonna waste 0 gold in Crit %. That 4 item build is going to provide 100% crits, an extra 50% crit damage, 140 AD. 30% cdr, and MP sustain on every attack. Going a 3rd zeal rout instead provides an extra AS, only loses 10% crit for wasted stats, is an extra passive, is higher AS and MS.

The new build, IE and 2 Zeal items.. its going to Waste 20% crit chance, its not providing CD, its only providing 80 AD. Its the same AS, same Crit %, same passives on zeal items, the crits are worth 50% less damage but have gain of 15% true damage. No CDR, No MP regin.

Put the two builds in a fight and on paper the 15k gold builds going to win every time. Full build new adcs should have an edge because they are not Pidgeon holed into build paths as badly but they also come online in the game later and their power spikes are weaker. Im fine with this.

Guess I should have been more specific.

Let people who cant do math in relation how the game will play leave, i'm ok with this.

Shukr4n1 votes

Why dont u silently quit if u dont like what s happening? Genuine question

TheBrothersGrymm1 votes

why dosnt riots balence team actully balence the game?? Genuine question

Shukr4n2 votes

genuine answer: they are balancing,. but

there can not exist the perfect balance. never. that s why proteams tourneys have alwys the same 30-40 champs pool.

your skill is way more important than balance. improve it.

Khristophoros1 votes

They will get destroyed by atmas + spear of shojin bruisers because riot thinks its funny to actually release spear of shojin lmao

TheBrothersGrymm1 votes

both those items gunna get nerfed we all know it, and adcs have a free item slow now for the spear and adc with damage reduction

RekSai CoffeeCo1 votes

They still aren't removing scuttle so yeah more people will leave.

One day next year they will adjust adcs/supports like they said they were going to do 8.10-8.11

TheBrothersGrymm1 votes

im not saying nerf adcs to the ground but man they are the most babied role in this game, giving them more hp growth and 100% crit at 3 items and 20% true damage is just dumb

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