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Nerf Irelia now

TheBrothersGrymm··47 votes·16,635 views

there is no champ that can lane vs her safly anymore, her q is only 20 mana all game she spams as she pleases, her damage reduction SCALES LIKE WTF IS THAT, she has a massive aoe stun that has a broken hitbox, she can double proc her q with 2 abilitys, so her combo is super fast and cant be stopped, you cant land skillshot because all she does is q everywhere she can 1 hit mages at lvl 3 q which is just afk farm mode, her q procs sheen, when she ults you cant aa at all something needs to be done its getting dumb, look at her play rate and winrate thats all because she broken nothing more, but i know riot they aint gunna do anything because she was just reworked, all reworked champs are busted as hell and nothing is done about it, make her q cost more mana so she cant just spam it all lane stage, make her damage reduction alot less or make other peoples scale like hers does its not fair at all to play against, yea i play her sometime but its just to much im not gunna waste a ban on her she needs to be fixed old irelia had trtue damage on hit all game and was more balenced

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Bladeleaf21 votes

I definitely agree her mana costs need to be looked at.

You can dodge and dodge and dodge all day.

When she misses she just doesn't engage.

But the one time she hits she trades you for half your life then jumps to a minion.

That's insane, why give her mana at all.

Her Q one shots ranged minions and with a little AD she can infinite clear in a barely a second by spamming it.

These things are not healthy.

PANAGIA PARTHENA1 votes

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I definitely agree her mana costs need to be looked at.

You can dodge and dodge and dodge all day.

When she misses she just doesn't engage.

But the one time she hits she trades you for half your life then jumps to a minion.

That's insane, why give her mana at all.

Her Q one shots ranged minions and with a little AD she can infinite clear in a barely a second by spamming it.

These things are not healthy.

Her costs are fine honestly, if she has no mana she cant do anything at all.Plus i dont think you actually played her if you think you can just clear with Q. Level 6 with 442 mana, to Q 2-3 minions and all in, you need at least 300 mana. Steraks+tri and her W are the problems here, not costs. She just becomes waay to tanky for the damage she deals with trinity force and steraks. This patch will tone her down a bit by hitting her damage and amping other bruisers.

Kadexe17 votes

Sterak's Gage (core item on Irelia) is getting a change in 8.12 that will break its synergy with Sheen and Triforce. There's your Irelia nerf.

AirKingNeo4 votes

that doesn't nerf her strong laning

PowerOfDrainAge6 votes

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that doesn't nerf her strong laning

But she doesnt have one?

Shrek Luigi1 votes

i'm pretty bad at this game but i can consistently do will in top with her. i don't think she's OP but she's definitely good.....she's like the OG Duelist of League of Legends, even after the overhaul to her kit......which still bears resemblance to the old one.

before first-b she's a bit lackluster but she can itemize 100 different ways, with all kinds of rune combinations......it's not so much that she's strong as much as she's a really safe pick, and that the champs who actually shut her down have less-than-desirable team synergyGaren Darius Renekton etc.

she's got a very steep ceiling in terms of skill/playing well with her, and im not even close to becoming an Irelia Master, but she's also braindead easy to just pick-up-and-play and is rewarded for making counterintuitive choices (ie: just blowing all your QWE crap at once to get your passive off and win trades). I play her more than I play most toplaners I think but I wouldn't mind if Riot tried to turn that bus around and make those kinds of changes.

eminatorul1 votes

This champion will be kiled in 8.15 (https://www.pcgamesn.com/league-of-legends/league-of-legends-patch-815) , also even now the rate of wining top /mid is decreasing ! Riot will make a huge mistake with this changes in 8.15. (they need to make decisions based on statistics ..and now the statistics contradict many disappointed players who are complaining about Irelia.

That's my opinion; sorry for my bad english .

AddMe SpaceBøund1 votes

3 months later and i don't see her being dead.

D357R0Y3R10 votes

20 mana

20 FCKING MANA

Fisher No Chains9 votes

I consider Irelia a gross mix of Yasuo and Fiora.

Yasuo because she's absolutely cancer to play against (at least against a good one), she has the same mobility he has once she gets Sheen (because of 20 mana cost + reset on kill) and landing a skillshot if she's around your wave is nearly impossible. Fiora because she's impossible to duel once she gets a Tiamat. I understand that MAYBE we can use the "she's a duelist" excuse, but why is she 100-0 me while I'm 6/3 and she's 2/4 with less cs? That damage reduction is also insane. It makes whole ultimates autoattacks, can't be interrupted and lasts way too long.

Irelia is the first rework I don't completely like, probably because she's the first reworked champion that's a massive pain in the ass to play against. Oh, even Shiphtur keeps banning her and considers her way too strong right now, so it's not a bronze-only issue afaik.

D357R0Y3R6 votes

the rework was good design wise (cancer but has counterplay unlike old irelia)

the numbers are not CLEARLY not

Gosh Darn2 votes

Not sure I agree with that. I have issues with nearly her entire kit. You can't itemize against her defensively because she has nearly perfectly mixed damage. Only Sterak's + TF makes her damage get really physical heavy.

Her Q makes her bizarrely mobile and gives her sustain so she counters every champion that relies on short trades. Her W allows her to invalidate any telegraphed ability, making it especially egregious against champs that rely on ultimates. Her E range makes no sense on a duelist. Why does she have long range engage/poke/waveclear? Same issue I had with Illaoi having the range and waveclear of a mage but at least Illaoi is super immobile and a bit of MS counters her. Her R is just a press to win button.

Her kit was just destined to be oppressive. You can't keep her off of you, you can't poke her out of lane, and yet she's difficult to duel. If you don't outscale her, you're fucked. I don't have problems with her since I play Nasus top and I love being against an Irelia in laning phase, but that doesn't stop her from being 0/5 and getting a triple kill on your backline.

D357R0Y3R1 votes

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Not sure I agree with that. I have issues with nearly her entire kit. You can't itemize against her defensively because she has nearly perfectly mixed damage. Only Sterak's + TF makes her damage get really physical heavy.

Her Q makes her bizarrely mobile and gives her sustain so she counters every champion that relies on short trades.

She already had this before the rework, the sustain was on W.

but the mana cost was not fucking 20

Her W allows her to invalidate any telegraphed ability, making it especially egregious against champs that rely on ultimates.

melee champion--->requieres a spell to reduce damage because they're not ranged

Her E range makes no sense on a duelist. Why does she have long range engage/poke/waveclear?

can be dodged, the problem is that the hitbox is bugged

Her R is just a press to win button.

can be dodged, but i also think the range is ultra bullshit, it shouldn't be 1200 it should be around 600 or 700

ankoanko191 votes

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She already had this before the rework, the sustain was on W.

but the mana cost was not fucking 20

melee champion--->requieres a spell to reduce damage because they're not ranged

can be dodged, the problem is that the hitbox is bugged

can be dodged, but i also think the range is ultra bullshit, it shouldn't be 1200 it should be around 600 or 700

Huh? so it should be 600-700 range.. Dude the range feels already damn small since you're a melee champion, nobody walks forward. Nevermind the cooldown for it aswell. Her W is op because 65% reduction is too much and it clears waves too good. Everything else in her kit is average at best.

TheBrothersGrymm1 votes

i wish they didnt change old irelia kit and just updated the model

ankoanko191 votes

[{quoted}](name=King Grymm,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4xoqVT8L,comment-id=000500000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-06-13T09:36:21.605+0000)

i wish they didnt change old irelia kit and just updated the model

no why would they do that? Her old kit was toxic af to play against and it felt very unrewarding to play ever since Season 6 left us.

Somebody Love Me2 votes

Irelia's Q used to have a higher mana cost because it refunded mana on kill. It no longer does that, so it's down to 20.

You can run oom really easily if you spam it.

ankoanko192 votes

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Irelia's Q used to have a higher mana cost because it refunded mana on kill. It no longer does that, so it's down to 20.

You can run oom really easily if you spam it.

yeah i dont get why they removed it from Irelias kit, it was really cool. They should've made it something like, when Irelia kills a unit with her Q it only costs 15 mana but when it doesnt reset it costs something reasonable like maybe 40-80 mana?

TheBrothersGrymm1 votes

but her mana scaling, corruption and tri fix all that only spell she spams is q

ankoanko191 votes

[{quoted}](name=King Grymm,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4xoqVT8L,comment-id=0005000000000000000100000000,timestamp=2018-06-13T09:36:59.709+0000)

but her mana scaling, corruption and tri fix all that only spell she spams is q

Because the entire point of her kit is to spam her Q. Her passive needs at 4 Q's, that is 80 mana. Not counting in the fact that her mana pool is only 350 and her E costs 50 mana itself. She goes oom rather quickly when going in for trades.

TheBrothersGrymm1 votes

umm your melee champ dam reduc is bull, only 3 melee champs have damage reduction AT ALL garen ww and irliea....

HonestJohnTheCon8 votes

BETTER NERF IRELIA

Step Sis Lux6 votes

She is right now one of the few champions that can 1vs5 which is disgusting

The Bad Touch3 votes

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She is right now one of the few champions that can 1vs5 which is disgusting

I haven't seen one that could even 1v1 yet.

PB4UAME2 votes

Just wait for her TF + sterak's + titanic power spike.

Even if she was 2/9/1 when she gets those, she'll pop right the fuck off with a competent player.

Thefrostyviking4 votes

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Just wait for her TF + sterak's + titanic power spike.

Even if she was 2/9/1 when she gets those, she'll pop right the fuck off with a competent player.

By the time she gets those with those stats everyone else will have 5-6 items.

If she pops off then then someone is screwing up, badly.

YoungFarmer1 votes

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She is right now one of the few champions that can 1vs5 which is disgusting

Yah my ADC and I bush cheesed an irelia (ADC and her were same amount of kills fed, very close to the same towers and CS so close) And she fucking 2 v 1ed us. We sat in an unwarded bush, I stunned her with Naut passive, R her, Q, her, exhausted her and she proceeded to kill us both in like under 5 seconds. Shes gross.

TheBrothersGrymm1 votes

shes melee and has damage reduction that scales, why dosnt garens or ww's? sure ww fear you but irelias lasts for 2.5 sec sure she cant move but she just waits for q then death

Thefrostyviking4 votes

OP you need to read up a bit.

"Her combo is super fast&sheen procs."

OP,,,,,,,she cant pull a fast combo and still get sheen procs you know?

That item has 1,5 seconds CD starting at the time she manages to hit someone with the proc.

Meaning that for a triple Q with sheen she needs at least 4,5 seconds just for that, not counting E or R cast time in which case it reaches 5-6 seconds.

Its more than most assassins give you.

PANAGIA PARTHENA1 votes

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OP you need to read up a bit.

"Her combo is super fast&sheen procs."

OP,,,,,,,she cant pull a fast combo and still get sheen procs you know?

That item has 1,5 seconds CD starting at the time she manages to hit someone with the proc.

Meaning that for a triple Q with sheen she needs at least 4,5 seconds just for that.

Its more than most assassins give you.

The post is full of bias.Yes she needs a nerf, but most of the reasons stated by OP are at least funny.

TheBrothersGrymm1 votes

her ult allows double q which if timed right double proc then her w or e does the same...if played right very broken if you dont agree you just abuse how she is

Thefrostyviking1 votes

[{quoted}](name=King Grymm,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4xoqVT8L,comment-id=00180001,timestamp=2018-06-13T09:35:19.623+0000)

her ult allows double q which if timed right double proc then her w or e does the same...if played right very broken if you dont agree you just abuse how she is

What she does with those marks is that they refund her Q CD if she hits someone.

So the proper quick combo is E-E-Q-R-Q-Q, for a total of 3 Q's.

Lvl 3 Q, the one she has at 6, does 50 base damage + 70% bonus AD.

3 Q's thus does 150 +.....20-ish depending on runes and items, before armor reduction.

A single sheen proc is worth about 76 extra physical damage.

Meanwhile Jax does 120 something damage with his W alone, it procs sheen, works as a auto reset and helps proc his ulti damage passive faster and stack his normal passive which further procs his ulti passive faster.

Each 3rd hit deals 100 bonus AP damage.

I truly fail to see how Irelia´s damage is the problem, jax basically hyperscales by auto attacking and others like Fiora do it by dashing around.

Both of them beat Irelia quite easily if you were wondering.

Relia Fortune4 votes

Darius Renekton Tryndamere Jax Trundle Garen do good vs her.

Daunt4 votes

You can literally describe abilities from any champion and make them look OP. And while i'm not saying Irelia isn't good, this post is a garbage QQ thread. The champion is useless without her Q so i can see why it costs 20 mana and lets not forget you NEED to constantly spam it. And she actually does go OOM if she tries to clear the wave with her abilities but that's why she gets a Corrupting Pot. The thing that you're mostly complaining about is the fact that she's really mobile, which is what you're supposed to play around since it's pretty telegraphed to what she can use Q in order to get a reset.

she can 1 hit mages at lvl 3

Implying that you're just standing still and not fighting back. She can't actually all in someone before level 6 unless they're dumb or don't know how Irelia works.

there is no champ that can lane vs her safly anymore

How so? She loses almost all top lane matchups which is why she moved to mid where she can just scale with less issues. And even on mid, she's still a melee champion that can be harassed a lot early on as she doesn't have a ranged tool that she can cs with. She only becomes scary when she gets her R, just like any other assassin played on mid.

Have you tried playing Irelia? Playing a champion you think is OP can usually teach you how to play against the thing that frustrates you. And you're literally coming from a lost game vs Irelia and typing up a storm without actually thinking anything through. And since you're a top laner i'm gonna acknowledge that you're complaining about top Irelia which makes no sense since the champion has almost no winning matchups up there.

And with all of this out of the way, the things that could get nerfed are the bonus damage she does to minions with her Q to lower her wave clear early game, increasing the E CD which is pretty low right now when comparing it to something like a Fiora W or Yasuo's Windwall. The damage reduction on W isn't even that troublesome unless she's going AP. The bigger issue is how much AD scaling it has which is what should get nerfed as well. A more extreme nerf would be to cut her range to 175 units, but i hope Riot manages to balance her around her current value which is 200.

TheBrothersGrymm1 votes

she was moved to mid because she can burst any mid laner exept galio......thats why its a free win when you can 2 shot your laner

Daunt1 votes

It's more of being able to deal with range really well which is what Irelia's niche was pre rework and is still relevant post rework. Besides that, mages are less aggressive than bruisers in top which makes it a perfect place for Irelia since her early game isn't the best in top lane. She's still a melee champion though, if you play the lane correctly you're not gonna lose it, especially since she doesn't even have a good ranged ability for csing.

Death by Glamour3 votes

honestly

a large part of the problem is with triforce, its not just irelia that is preforming well because of it

Daddy Ants6 votes

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honestly

a large part of the problem is with triforce, its not just irelia that is preforming well because of it

Camille Gangplank Irelia Jax Yorick

It's all about the item 3078 item 3053's combo.

PB4UAME2 votes

With respect to Yorick, he has a total of, wait for it. . . 130 base damage in his kit. The lowest of any champion in the game. He relies upon having one of the highest base AD stats in the game, so Tri and Sterak's work disproportionately well on him. . .. literally by design because he is supposed to be forced to buy them to have really any meaningful damage, yet both are getting nerfed quite severely, to the point that from the Sterak's change alone, Yorick is losing something like 200 damage a Q lategame.

Jesus Is My King3 votes

her hit box on stun is just not even remotely accurate. not at all its 45% larger than it looks

TheBrothersGrymm1 votes

yo i have been hit when i wasnt even near the damn thing its hitbox so busted

AS I LAY FEEDING3 votes

Should just rework conq keystone and fix steraks/trinity combo. Conq is a stupid keystone. Yes irelia needs a nerf.

VoraciousX3 votes

They're removing Sterak's synergy with Trinity Force. That should be a big hit to her. Not sure if she will be balanced afterwards, but she'll be doing quite a bit less damage. at the very least.

Noor Sakata2 votes

At least it costs mana , I'd rather lane against her instead of Vlad and Zed

Besteal2 votes

Heeeeeeeell no. Irelia is weak af top lane. Countered by every bruiser, every juggernaut, 70% of all tanks. And you can beat her with assassins mid lane. She's been weak in lane since day 2, and then they nerfed her ultimate. Those constant nerfs are the true idiocy of Irelia's rework.

Death KarnEvil1 votes

still way to alive an kicking, a champ should not just "reset" me to death, when champs who should be good vs her, lose and thatd from riot saying xyz counter her. but none of them work? theres a problem

Keskiyo1 votes

Lul the only people that don't want Irelia nerfed are the same people that one trick her to climb. It's not fun getting all inned level 3 because she lands full combo, and next thing you know you're one shot because Conqueror + her kit in general are aids. Irelia needs a nerf, and Conqueror needs a rework. Limit the number of times she can use her Q on reset, that way she has to think about when she can engage, or jump on a minion.

Steve Rogers1 votes

She's still broken. Nerf Irelia already!![slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

Téëmø1 votes

please nerf irelia, its all i have to say

TengenToppaGnar1 votes

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please nerf irelia, its all i have to say

This crap is old news

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