Why is TFT getting Ranked Rushed?

TheBrothersGrymm·Jul 8, 2019·28 votes·9,340 views

Ok, so TFT is the new hot thing, but why is ranked tft getting rushed?

TFT is purely RNG how is it even gunna be remotely fair? champs are RNG, items are RNG, who your champs attacks is random.

TFT is littered with bugs atm why the hell is it getting ranked, it needs ATLEAST 6-9 months before it should get ranked.

The only strategy in TFT is what champs you wish to invest in, what items that are RNG you will give them, where to place them.

Many times i have played, i have been in the late stages, and needed 1 champ for multiple champs to get them tier 3, rerolled 20 times no lie, and didnt see any of them once, you do that math wtf is that, lost the game because i couldnt upgrade, and i know im not the only one, or when my champ is fighting 1v2 and he dosnt hit the one nearly dead he attacks the full hp one fair.

The game is too new for ranked, it takes zero skill, mechanics, or brain power, you pray to RNGesus and hope.

TFT is allready taking in so mcuh money because of the massively overpriced loot, but come on Riot it dosnt need ranked A MONTH AFTER IT DROPPED.

But Riot never listens, so i mean what can go wrong? Iron players getting challenger because the game is unfair from the get go?

Also if getting Gold awards the Victorius skins ima cry, like its a game within the game, it shouldnt be what they are making it to be, in the long run it will hurt league, people are only gunna play TFT and that ruins the experience of ranked/normal games because matchmaking is dogshit/

What are your thoughts? Im not against it, but its way to soon for it.

Riot we get it you gave up but dont ruin the game any more then you allready have, alot of things on the Rift need attention, not TFT ranked/

What could go wrong? ;)

27 Comments

SatNaavJul 8, 20199 votes

Too much rng for ranked. Also, some comps are just better. Once ppl figure out what works it won't be very fun with this rng.

Camille FerrøsJul 8, 20196 votes

Thats what I'm saying again and again. Idk how exactly they imagine it but its like 90% rng and what's the point of ranked tiers for an rng system, the player just pick what he was given realistically... Not to mention the hundreds of bugs...

BWG REFORMEDJul 8, 20191 votes

"Once ppl figure out what works it won't be very fun with this rng." Unlike the League balance team The TFT balance team quickly fix that and if that happened and everyone ran the same comp thanks to the shared pool 5 people doing the same strategy would all lose

spasaddyJul 8, 20197 votes

completely agree, if these goes to ranked, they need to take the RNG out of it, not to mention the very begining of the game, maybe just for me, but it lags so bad that i dont get to race to a champ, i pretty much just start the game with a randomly chosen champ. i barely make it to more than 1 t3 champ because of the RNG factor, building a team and using items wisely has strategy behind it, but the fact its all pure luck is bad for ranked, should be nothing more than a fun game mode like aram, i played all day and was 6-8th place except one game, i was undefeated until it was just 3 of us left, rerolled dozens of times to get a champ, couldnt get it, wouldnt you know it the other guys got a nice RNG and stomped me

ive also been seeing alot of extra items for other players as well, where as ive not lost any fights and then i have to fight a guy with one extra fully finished weapon, how this happens is beyond me

spasaddyJul 8, 20192 votes

on a side note, i only logged into the forums to make a post about this just like you did, but you beat me to the punch lol

TheBrothersGrymmJul 8, 20196 votes

i played alot of tft, i only won one game, and in the game i won i was only lvl 6, but i had 6 gold champs, i had a lulu with 3 random items and vayne with 3 random items, and i had 97 hp at the end, only lost one fight, when it hit final 4 they all said GG because they knew they couldnt beat me, it was the items or the champs, my lead was to vast even tho they all had 7 champs i just wrecked them, RNG was in my favor, i think TFT is nice but it should be a special mode, liek aram something for fun, but now its gunna be toxic and just blehhh not what it should be

hrooza dota Jul 8, 20193 votes

i won to many games without needing gold champions at all [like i only get them after i start going into winning streak anyway] i would say this mode have a lot more skill then ppl give credit for, i keep getting top 4 at least while my opp are getting better and better at the game the more i play .

i bet my ratata once ranked is out for a while you will see the same top players fighting for challenger while bronze tft will complain about rng down there

TurdBurgIarJul 8, 20192 votes

I agree the game has a lot fo RNG but if you know about anything your doing you should up in the top most of the time. All this crying of RNG just reminds me of bronze players blaming their teams because they are hard stuck. I get in top 4 if i have good rng or not(most of the time). And crying about 3*'s is silly, i have won many many games with having less or no 3*'s at all vs opponents with many.

hrooza dota Jul 8, 20191 votes

same, i had a game where i had to play with 3 costs so early on [which was both expensive and losing me the early] with barely anything to work with and having hard time leveling anything to 2 stars but still get 4th place.

would RNG decide the winner of 2 players equal in skill ? sure would RNG decide who will climb and who will not? for sure not.

We Are Venom336Jul 10, 20192 votes

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I agree the game has a lot fo RNG but if you know about anything your doing you should up in the top most of the time. All this crying of RNG just reminds me of bronze players blaming their teams because they are hard stuck. I get in top 4 if i have good rng or not(most of the time). And crying about 3*'s is silly, i have won many many games with having less or no 3*'s at all vs opponents with many.

u probly also had ftom champs and the fotm items u just got lucky wasnt about ur "skill" at this game at all u got rolled the good champs and items plain n simple this game is rng those who has the fotm champs n items win

BWG REFORMEDJul 8, 20192 votes

"i played alot of tft, i only won one game" Then you're bad

The game you describe winning would end you losing with better players in it there is no situation where you end the game at level 6 that's just bad play the only time you end the game at level 7 is if you're about to die and you desperate roll everything

Why do players that don't know the basics complain about RNG the most?

"Special mode" no it should be its own game away from the garbage that is League so both of our problems can be fixed

Also TFT chat has been the least toxic chat out of anything League related ever

MasterDCloneJul 9, 20191 votes

i won 5 games out of 12 today and got under 4th once, idk about you but i think you're just not playing the game as good as you could be, i try to go a different comp everygame, i won with a 4 brawler comp earlier, and a 6 demon arguably the worst comp in the game, but if you manage to position and plan you're shit you can win much more easily. also you dont need tier 3 characters most my wins i do the econ strat to get a late game comp where its all tier 2's with my little legend at 10 to 20 hp. its all about how you play with what you're given, Look at poker for example it is a loot of luck but there is a clear difference between pro's and amateurs.

We Are Venom336Jul 10, 20192 votes

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i won 5 games out of 12 today and got under 4th once, idk about you but i think you're just not playing the game as good as you could be, i try to go a different comp everygame, i won with a 4 brawler comp earlier, and a 6 demon arguably the worst comp in the game, but if you manage to position and plan you're shit you can win much more easily. also you dont need tier 3 characters most my wins i do the econ strat to get a late game comp where its all tier 2's with my little legend at 10 to 20 hp. its all about how you play with what you're given, Look at poker for example it is a loot of luck but there is a clear difference between pro's and amateurs.

lmao this is nothing like poker.........

wish this statement would die it makes no sense.....poker isint about cards as u can bluff ur opp into folding here u cant bluff its strickly luck u either roll the dice n win or u lose, there is no bluffing in TFT lmao so there for its all luck

its luck that u get 3* champ at stage 2 right before the first ring around the rosy thing...or the entire game for that matter....

I had a game where all game till i died after the 2nd carousal thing i just kept getting 2 champs of everything they woiuld not roll i was broke kept losing cuz i had 1 lvl 2 champ no items so i ended up dying with 1s and 1 2 star champ......

its luck that u get items in the first 3 minion camps

its luck that u dont get rolls for decent comps

some ppl are just lucky (they need to go to las vegas imo) granted there is some skill but honestly its 5% skill 95% luck at this point. Maby when the new patch hits n they fix the rng of the items it might be better but i for one am not playing rank in this mode till i see a change in the rng its way to much right now for a competive game mode

Dead Anime DadJul 8, 20196 votes

Cashing on the craze while it's hot, little legends, etc.

hewhodoesnotcareJul 8, 20193 votes

Tft is boring and all about luck.

Riot refused to give aram rank because it was too rng base.

BWG REFORMEDJul 8, 20191 votes

No they refused to give it ranked because nobody cared

ArtumisPrimeJul 9, 20193 votes

False.

https://nexus.leagueoflegends.com/en-au/2018/05/ask-riot-ranked-arams/

Q: "With the new ranked system for the new year, are you thinking of implementing a ranked system for aram too? it’d be nice to have something to say like, “look, this player is good at this mode.”"

A: "ARAM is a weird beast. ** If you imagine a game of SR or even TT, the hope is that your individual skill has a big impact on the outcome of the game. There are factors other than your skill at play however, including things like the somewhat random effect of who you’ll get as teammates and how well you gel as a team. In ARAM, these “other factors” have a huge impact on your success rate because which champion you and the other players get can massively affect the outcome. This is the part of ARAM that some ARAM enthusiasts find really fun—you never really know what’s going to happen.**

Additionally, we spend far less effort balancing champions for ARAM than we do for SR. Part of this is just a question of focus. We view SR as the core League of Legends experience and spend most our bandwidth on balancing it. But it is also an acknowledgement that in ARAM, whether you succeed or fail is often a lot more out of your control, so even achieving a high degree of game balance can only improve the game so much.

For these two reasons, we worry that ranked ARAM just asks players to take ARAM more seriously, which could be a really frustrating experience. The urge to dodge might go through the roof for example.

All of that said, while we’re focused a lot on improving the ranked experience this year, one of the questions we’re exploring for the future is whether League needs to offer more of a sense of progression for players who don’t play a lot of ranked. While leveling is uncapped now, and we have features like champion mastery, overall there isn’t much that a player who plays mostly Normals (including ARAM) can choose to focus on. They don’t really have a journey the way a ranked player can shoot for ending the season with a higher rank. Maybe that’s okay—maybe Normal players don’t need and aren’t looking for an end game in the same way. But the requests we get for things like competitive ARAM (or “look, this player is good at this mode” from the original question) maybe suggests that some players are."

rtbf218386197Jul 8, 20192 votes

When you can't or don't want to fix a problem, you create a new problem as a temporary fix,till everyone forgets the previous problem and start focusing on the new one.As we can all see,for some reason people are getting addicted to RNG modes like TFT and stop complaining about the previous problems.TFT doesn;t even have a purpose aside from turning the community's eyes to something new and ''Innovative'' in order to calm down the ones who complain all the time. In the past people LOOOOOOOOOOOOVED URF, now as you can see even the normal games have a ''URF'' feel to them,it was a temporary fix to the issues. Patch after patch everyone complains about something different,so the temporary fix to that is to make stronger anything that can counter the previous issue,''Tanks are strong,so ADCs got buffed,while tanks got nerfed,because adc mains mostly complained'' ETC,ETC.It's kinda hard to avoid that,cause this is a multiplayer game,it all depends on the community, for every change someone likes,there are other people that dislike it and vice versa.Right now the worst problem aside from balancing the characters,items etc, is THE MATCHMAKING, which right now is pure rng in every division and riot either can't fix that, or doesn;t want to fix that for some reason. As i can tell,although i dont know if it is entirely true,TFT was made as a temporary fix to that,''matchmaking is rng,but for some reason it can't get fixed, so a full rng mode appeared,that could utillize that factor better than the other modes''.We can call this ''keeping the game fresh and alive'',cause ''change is good RAAAAAWR''.Now,based on what i said we can see that TFT is the new hype,while rift still exists, so,2 options here, '1': rift loses poppularity and falls in the position of Twisted Treeline,which means riot will focus heavily on TFT,so it's ''minus 1 problem''. '2':Rift stays well and alive while maintaining its popularity,this means more work for riot,cause now they have to focus on an old problem and a new problem that can;t be fixed cause of pure rng WHILE people will get addicted to that way more than they got with RIFT. And remember,the problems that you see the majority complaining all the time are balance and matchmaking -related. oh and let's not forget the overpriced loot too.....no comment on this one...........

A second thought on the creation of TFT and the rush of TFT ranked,not taking in mind anything i said previously is that it is simply required as new addition to the league of legends mode family in order to increase variety and draw more people to play the game out of enjoyment xD. I'm playing league since 2013 and it hurts me see ''bad changes'' over and over again,we are approaching mid season9 and it still feels like a bugged and rigged pbe preseason.....

haaaaaaalpJul 8, 20192 votes

Because there is no reason not to do it. They have the framework down and I doubt it took much time to add it so why not test ranked with the rest of the game mode? Just let’s them know problems sooner than if they waited.

BWG REFORMEDJul 8, 20192 votes

"Ok, so TFT is the new hot thing, but why is ranked tft getting rushed?"

It isn't getting rushed more like delayed because of Riot's incompetence it should have been out a week ago already

"TFT is purely RNG how is it even gunna be remotely fair? champs are RNG, items are RNG, who your champs attacks is random."

RNG doesn't change your placing unless you're 1st or 2nd also if you're talking about RNG how about you talk about League where the game is decided before you get to even pick your champion your opponents are decided and your teammates are decided without you having any say in it

"muh RNG" is a dumb argument

"The only strategy in TFT is what champs you wish to invest in, what items that are RNG you will give them, where to place them."

That's false and if you're doing that you're just playing wrong

"Many times i have played, i have been in the late stages, and needed 1 champ for multiple champs to get them tier 3, rerolled 20 times no lie, and didnt see any of them once, you do that math wtf is that, lost the game because i couldnt upgrade, and i know im not the only one, or when my champ is fighting 1v2 and he dosnt hit the one nearly dead he attacks the full hp one fair."

That's usually because you're trying to get a single piece that everyone else is using thus the amount of it in the pool is a lot less You going for Ashe 3 when 5 other people are going Ashe and complaining why you don't get her lmao

"The game is too new for ranked, it takes zero skill, mechanics, or brain power, you pray to RNGesus and hope."

It's funny how you say this yet every single example you have given is just you having lack of game knowledge the game has a lot of skill expression and a lot of brain power as well ( a lot more at every stage than League below Challenger )

"TFT is allready taking in so mcuh money because of the massively overpriced loot, but come on Riot it dosnt need ranked A MONTH AFTER IT DROPPED."

Not overpriced it's pretty well priced actually and of course it's making a lot of money it's a good product from Riot Games ( something they haven't delivered in years ) you seem quite salty that it's doing so well

"But Riot never listens, so i mean what can go wrong? Iron players getting challenger because the game is unfair from the get go?"

No they do listen just not when they should and that's what gets you League of Legends an unbalanced mess the TFT balance team seems to have learned from the League's balance teams mistakes

"Also if getting Gold awards the Victorius skins ima cry, like its a game within the game, it shouldnt be what they are making it to be, in the long run it will hurt league, people are only gunna play TFT and that ruins the experience of ranked/normal games because matchmaking is dogshit"

Do you think TFT players want to be clumped into the horrible league client and community? i have said since the day this was teased that i want a separate client and obviously those skins won't be given away for getting a rank in TFT 1 Because it isn't a rank in League 2 Because it would be useless since 99% of the TFT playerbase isn't going to touch the garbage that is league of legends ever so giving them the skin would not make any sense

"Riot we get it you gave up but dont ruin the game any more then you allready have, alot of things on the Rift need attention, not TFT ranked/" Yeah they ruined the game and they are going to continue to make the game worse with every patch but the higher-ups at Riot clearly know where their priorities should be ( as far away from League and as close to TFT as possible )

SukishooJul 8, 20192 votes

It isn't getting rushed more like delayed because of Riot's incompetence it should have been out a week ago already

What?

9.13 was a THREE week patch, so 9.14 is out next week. They generally do that once a year to make sure there's enough time / space between all patches.

The TrentJul 8, 20192 votes

A lot of top tier players are happy with the state of the game with only a few problems (Hafu, Toast, Dog, Scarra). Everyone complaining about things like rng are unfamiliar with autochess games as the rng aspect is why people play it. They're also adding a few rng balances next patch that will help everyone get items (guareenteed items on certain rounds)

BlåsigtJul 9, 20192 votes

TFT definitely should not have a ranked mode. Not sure what they would be measuring from this mode.

gonna flex on uJul 8, 20191 votes

The thing is...league already has rng...your team mates. Pretty much the same thing. In soloq sometimes you get bad team mates. In tft sometimes you get no items.

Lucky HarbingerJul 8, 20191 votes

Time will tell, but I bet that certain people will come on top the ladder in due time(look up professional Poker/Mahjong). If there's really only luck involved, nobody would reliable move out of Silver/Gold. The comparison that RNG complainers are the hardstuck bronzes blaming their team is incredibly on point.

People saying RNG should be removed don't get the point of this mode.

You can't find the last piece for a 3* champion, no matter how many times you re-roll, simply because there are none left in the pool. Check how the champion pool actually works.

MasterDCloneJul 9, 20191 votes

I dont see why tft doesnt need ranked, it is just what it needs to keep players interested and realistically you just have to hit top 4 which i do hit very consistently. I feel like when people bring RNG in this game its only every as an excuse for them not winning as much as others but a lot of times the players skill in adaptability and educated guesses play a big part in the game, Also riot isn't giving up on normal league, normal league is only hit rn as everyone is trying it out once the hype dies down it will just be the core playerbase playing tft and everyone back to normal league. The meta shifts in league also make the game far less enjoyable for a lot of players, i main jg and rn i have no fun playing it especially as an assassin main, and tft gives me a nice break between games or when i take breaks from ranked because of how the meta currently is, TFT is a huge plus for riot as it keeps the negativly affected players by the current meta still interested in another game mode of theirs which makes them money, rather than those players leaving to other games in wait to their meta coming back around. Also hasnt matchmaking always been dogshit, and hasn't that been the most complained about topic for like 4-5 years now on the boards, also people use the bad matchmaking thing in force rn because there is a scapegoat reason that tft ranked is coming out and some of the ranked staff has left to work on that.