About Tanks: They are tough but not Immortal. Positioning is Key.

DragonShea··18 votes·1,998 views

Hey all, As a tank/Juggernaut player I love tanky dudes and I believe that taking hits is more just as important as giving them. but back on subject. Many people like to complain about tanks being weak or tanks being too damn strong and what people don't realise this that, just by being tanky doesn't mean that you are nigh-unkillable. Here is what people need to think about when they are playing a tank or tanky character.

  • 1 Position: Look A lot of people don't realise this, but getting caught out of position as a tank is just as dangerous as it as an ADC. people are not afraid of offloading their basic abilities on a tank that doesn't build item 3083, when you gather for the teamfight you are at 50% HP and without a tank, your team will fall apart and die. the same does for a good attack on the enemy team. if a diver or a vanguards goes LEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEROY JENNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNKINS!!!!!!!" and his enemy team follows him or like what actually happened. you or a member of your team does that and none of you follow after them. you are boned.

  • 2 Take one for the team: As a tank you will die a bit, so if you are going to, it's better to take one or the team as the enemy team wasted their time killing you while they killed off the enemy team. I was playing as a tank and while it sometimes turns into a 4v5 Their abilities were on CD and ripe for getting aced, which happened. even of you die you will get 2.5 enemy kill gold or even a bonus from shut downs while you are died, so as long as you die right you will reap the rewards.

  • 3 Don't die to anyone ally that overextends: Personally that is one of my weaknesses, I'd rush in and die hoping my carry gets away but instead dies because they are a dumbfuck, had an opportunity that they failed to take, I was a dumbfuck that rushed in and fed, or the enemy team out played us and we couldn't handle just cutting our loses. Whatever the reason, if someone eff's up and someone will die and it's certain you will die with them if you committed with them. then you should just bait, but ONLY if you fight a losing battle and it's better to defend someone else on the map. But making the right call in not committing to a team is to know if you have a chance of either winning or losing the fight, or you are being a coward that abandoned the team when they needed you the most.

  • 4: Awareness and timing: You need to be aware when grouping up. People's especially at lower ELO(Lol this comes from a Bronze II player) People are kill Hungry and just want kills instead of objective control and fighting for that, so you need to be aware of any player can want and can get behind your backline, all tanks can peel to varying degrees, so if a diver like vi or lee sin jumps the team, you can lock them down and then get a free kill which will deter the enemy team from trying an attack 4v5. Likewise as a tank(Vanguard), you need to be able to see when you can jump the enemy team and cause chaos among them. As displacing them with a good initiation will kill them while a poor initiation will expose your own team and cause the enemy team to make a beeline for your carries and support.

Either way I hope you enjoy my discussion about tanks and that it was helpful.

Peace.

27 Comments

Ralanr12 votes

In my experience as a tank, I've found that it is my team that makes me feel invincible since they're taking out targets while I hold them down. If my team isn't utilizing my CC, then I'm going to die faster than I want to.

As for your post, very good points.

DragonShea2 votes

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In my experience as a tank, I've found that it is my team that makes me feel invincible since they're taking out targets while I hold them down. If my team isn't utilizing my CC, then I'm going to die faster than I want to.

As for your post, very good points.

Thanks bro. As always, your insight is appreciated.

III BAKURYU III 5 votes

I love this post ! 10/10. People can say what they want but being a tank isn't a "free day" having to tank everything willing or not and having to die to make a play or try to save 4 randoms who depending on elo could be straight garbage isn't an easy choice.
It's not easy peeling 1v4 or 1v5 so your team can clean up not to mention most cases the enemy team has a tank so you need to out tank that guy which really relies on your team to not feed so you can get 1-2 items to tank for them so being a tank you get maybe only 2 cloth armors or a 1/4th item and having to do all that isn't easy.

DragonShea3 votes

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I love this post ! 10/10. People can say what they want but being a tank isn't a "free day" having to tank everything willing or not and having to die to make a play or try to save 4 randoms who depending on elo could be straight garbage isn't an easy choice.
It's not easy peeling 1v4 or 1v5 so your team can clean up not to mention most cases the enemy team has a tank so you need to out tank that guy which really relies on your team to not feed so you can get 1-2 items to tank for them so being a tank you get maybe only 2 cloth armors or a 1/4th item and having to do all that isn't easy.

True, I find that tanking can be really hard and when you are behind it's hard to protect a fed carry and deal with a tank that is fed because of their carry. you can at least mess up a damage heavy team easy if they get too greedy but with a stronger tank besides them it's utterly frustrating.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo2 votes

i am a maokai main.. primarily top lane mao ... play him jungle.support . a few times mid depending on lane match ups etc...

i make sure if you dont focus me as the tank i am going to out damage the entire team and kill you myself

but then again i dont build 100% full tank i sprinkle in some damage in my build

i have had many games out damaging my team and the enemy team as maokai

DragonShea1 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=WNcXxqev,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2017-02-02T15:00:46.296+0000)

i am a maokai main.. primarily top lane mao ... play him jungle.support . a few times mid depending on lane match ups etc...

i make sure if you dont focus me as the tank i am going to out damage the entire team and kill you myself

but then again i dont build 100% full tank i sprinkle in some damage in my build

i have had many games out damaging my team and the enemy team as maokai

Same here a lot of the times I add some damage as Rammus as using item 3748 combined with item 1401, item 3075 anditem 3152 it gives me some good damage and durability to make up for not having that good CC, making rammus more of a defensive juggernaut. having a mix of damage and durability(don't like using the term tankiness as not everyone can be a tank) makes it hard for the enemy team to make a decision on who to kill. if you kill a damage tank, nice you wasted 4 ults on me. you kill the carry, still got the mage and damage tank on your ass.

either way some tanks are a threat through damage as they can put a serious dent in the enemy team for the carries to finish off.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo2 votes

my core build on maokai is

item 3027 item 3068 item 3065 item 3025 whatever boots are needed item 3111 item 3047 and typically finish with a item 3151

i have had game where i had 75 k damage to champs and went 18-8-19

other games over 40k in damage regularly

game where i double the damage of an enemy vayne who got fed early she had about 33.5k damage to champs i had 59K

III BAKURYU III 2 votes

I love Mao top mainly as a top champion of mine, I play him jungle as I love the W root for easy ganks but I don't remember trying him for support; like I know it's a thing but is it easier to win games as Mao support or top or jungle.
If you don't mind can you give me a ranking of the lanes between Top-Jng-Sup for easier wins for Mao.

I want to play him support but with the mage support meta it sounds very risk where they can just poke him away from making a play.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo2 votes

top is best... he is a mid/late game scaling champ who needs the farm and lvls to be the mid-late game monster people hate

he is really good vs nearly every lane top due to majority of it being melee... he has good wave clear ... and even in a bad lane if you are safe you still are effective in team stages of game.

jungle is hit or miss... his clear isnt great anymore and he lacks the gold/lvls to truly outscale

support is something i do cuz im also a support main... its hit n miss

mid is all about lane counters.. last game i went mid *when i was top cuz our mid was fizz and enemy picked ryze... so i laned mid vs ryze andi out damage my entire team .

III BAKURYU III 2 votes

I just can't deal with poke from range champions so mid is off the table for me as Mao lol.

I just thought support Mao would be better than top because of the 2v2 and how easier it is to just W the enemy adc root them in place take a few steps infront of them and Q them back and throw a E sap where if they run it will hit them so they have no choice but to fight or flash into it.

Thank you !

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

no problem

DragonShea1 votes

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I just can't deal with poke from range champions so mid is off the table for me as Mao lol.

I just thought support Mao would be better than top because of the 2v2 and how easier it is to just W the enemy adc root them in place take a few steps infront of them and Q them back and throw a E sap where if they run it will hit them so they have no choice but to fight or flash into it.

Thank you !

Shields are good for pokes as you can stop the damage before you decide to engage or bail, but pokers can bait your shield out before they themselves engage and screw you over. that is the annoying thing about poke. take too much and you are screwed.

III BAKURYU III 1 votes

Yeah, item 3105 item 3190 are decent against poke etc and unless the enemy ad adc is getting kills or just destroying us at bot I tend to get those two items stated before for the mage support.
item 3097 is ok but I just get so annoyed by that item if I'm tank support Braum, Thresh etc because the heal proc gives you like 40 hp back which is like "ok" whenever the mage/ad do over 80 from just 1 auto attack. Like the item is great once fully completed but the first two early parts are just annoying to buy when you don't think it's benefiting you as it should early on.

DragonShea1 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=WNcXxqev,comment-id=00010000000000010000,timestamp=2017-02-02T15:21:34.779+0000)

top is best... he is a mid/late game scaling champ who needs the farm and lvls to be the mid-late game monster people hate

he is really good vs nearly every lane top due to majority of it being melee... he has good wave clear ... and even in a bad lane if you are safe you still are effective in team stages of game.

jungle is hit or miss... his clear isnt great anymore and he lacks the gold/lvls to truly outscale

support is something i do cuz im also a support main... its hit n miss

mid is all about lane counters.. last game i went mid *when i was top cuz our mid was fizz and enemy picked ryze... so i laned mid vs ryze andi out damage my entire team .

Naut is the same 'pect the mid part. Top he is a beast, support he is a beast jungle, I'd say so-so. I usually aim for item 3068 item 3110 item 3190 item 3001 item 3083 and boots Top and item 2303 replacing warmogs as a support. I like a bit of AP for some more damage.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

i really feel that spirit visage is core , a cant pass item no matter what ... it helps with his sustain , hp, cdr, mr.

i would hardly ever get abyssal unless im vs a full ap comp and im not worried about their adc

DragonShea1 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=WNcXxqev,comment-id=0001000000000001000000010000,timestamp=2017-02-02T16:34:56.389+0000)

i really feel that spirit visage is core , a cant pass item no matter what ... it helps with his sustain , hp, cdr, mr.

i would hardly ever get abyssal unless im vs a full ap comp and im not worried about their adc

Hmmm apart from the Support item heal and unless there is a healer, then I am thinking that item 3065 would be that strong but it's the only alternative apart from item 3102.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo2 votes

it is by far a better item then banshee's for maokai... it syngerizes with his kit and passive. makes you tankier , increases all healing..

and if you pair it with an ROA which passive gives you healing for expending mana it increases the amount you heal for from that as well..

i would never pass on spirit visage

III BAKURYU III 2 votes

Agree, it's hard to tank when the team are giving kills away left and right and they ping me to go in and it's like " but the Zed and Yasuo are 14-0 each" It's also a big gamble on making a TP play bot lane instead of TP'ing to lane for cs ahead or behind as you won't be able to tp back to lane for 5 or so mins or Dragons so using the TP is very important.
I get laughed at by my teammates because I only have 92 or so Cs by 28-30 mins at top but it's because I rarely ever use TP in lane but use it in teamfights/dragons/botlane to help out but they don't see that part, to them a tank is a brainless fool who just needs to peel.

DragonShea1 votes

[{quoted}](name=III BAKURYU III ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=WNcXxqev,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-02-02T14:32:50.473+0000)

I love this post ! 10/10. People can say what they want but being a tank isn't a "free day" having to tank everything willing or not and having to die to make a play or try to save 4 randoms who depending on elo could be straight garbage isn't an easy choice.
It's not easy peeling 1v4 or 1v5 so your team can clean up not to mention most cases the enemy team has a tank so you need to out tank that guy which really relies on your team to not feed so you can get 1-2 items to tank for them so being a tank you get maybe only 2 cloth armors or a 1/4th item and having to do all that isn't easy.

^^

[slayer-jinx-wink]

oSEXYPLATYPUSo3 votes

dont offer logic and reasoning into this game.... its not what people want

but i do applaud your efforts

[zombie-brand-clap]

Danjeng2 votes

You're right, getting caught is bad as tank. Getting caught is generally bad on any champion. But the difference between getting caught as a tank and ADC is that the tank would suffer damage and would need to back, while the ADC would be deleted within a few seconds. I agree with your points. Another tip I would like to add is to hold on to your CC for leverage over the opponents. Don't just throw a Thresh hook at every chance, hoping you get lucky. Save it for when the enemy Jax jumps your ADC.

DragonShea1 votes

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You're right, getting caught is bad as tank. Getting caught is generally bad on any champion. But the difference between getting caught as a tank and ADC is that the tank would suffer damage and would need to back, while the ADC would be deleted within a few seconds. I agree with your points. Another tip I would like to add is to hold on to your CC for leverage over the opponents. Don't just throw a Thresh hook at every chance, hoping you get lucky. Save it for when the enemy Jax jumps your ADC.

Yeah you are right. Spamming CC in the hope you get one will just leave you mana less and that can ruin your chances of winning a teamfight.

FeuerfalkeFX1 votes

Luckily Singed is a class by itself so I can go "LEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEROY JEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEENKINS!!!!" whenever I want.

DragonShea1 votes

That is blatant disrespect to tanks, expecting them to peel and nothing more. But having make choices about TP and people giving your crap for it is not cool. I do think that in the laning phase you should be using it to get back and have control over it but it's at the mid game say teleport the fuck anywhere. Dragon Barron. Old bearie dragon. sometimes when People ping for help and you realize that they are screwed, why screw yourself over as well when you can also get an advantage to equalize so you have a chance to win the game?

Spoofghoul1 votes

Sion but my team always forgets my passive item 3070

Oelyk1 votes

embarrassed because hates playing tanks.

Rivuo1 votes

Stopped reading when op said getting caught as a tank is just as bad as an adc.

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