Playing ADC against this horrible design is so fucking cancer it's unreal. In 3 crows you'll be half health, and guess what you can do to dodge them? Literally just not exist. Not existing is LITERALLY the only way you can avoid them. If you are ANYWHERE near where they can hit they WILL bounce to you and fuck you in the ass. It's stupid shit design that should be fixed.
Sewer Side6 votesDon’t most Fiddle supports max Fear though?
Dark Wind’s range isn’t good, so Fiddle relies bouncing it off minions. The priority for Dark Wind in a creep wave is rather erractic but basically it doesn’t prioritize champions who have been hit already, so as long as you have 2+ minions, it will only tag you once if you back off. Bouncing it in a full creep wave means you have a good chance it won’t even hit you.
There’s no reliable way he’s doing half HP unless you’re making an actual concentrated effort for it to bounce solely between you and 1 ally, which I’d say is fair with how much you can already do to negate the ability.
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Don’t most Fiddle supports max Fear though?
Dark Wind’s range isn’t good, so Fiddle relies bouncing it off minions. The priority for Dark Wind in a creep wave is rather erractic but basically it doesn’t prioritize champions who have been hit already, so as long as you have 2+ minions, it will only tag you once if you back off. Bouncing it in a full creep wave means you have a good chance it won’t even hit you.
There’s no reliable way he’s doing half HP unless you’re making an actual concentrated effort for it to bounce solely between you and 1 ally, which I’d say is fair with how much you can already do to negate the ability.
I max Dark Wind but that is because I build Relic. Frost is just too double edged.
Bârd1 votesIf he's all-inning you, a maxed out crow does a ton of damage because it prioritizes your drain target.
As poke, it's really annoying but you can deal with it.
Hethalean5 votesthey at least see through obscure from akali :)
MrHaZeYo5 votesI see where you're coming from, but some champs actually do have spells to counter them lol. Sivir E, Bruam W, Yas W, Fizz E, Fiora W, Yi Q, Zed R, Kayn R, Elise Spider E, Morg E (kind of), Liss self R, Eve R,
Overall though yes it is super annoying to deal with as a Mid laner or a bot laner.
flibitydoo3 votesah right thanks
I'll just use zed ult everytime fiddle tosses that e in lane thx
MrHaZeYo1 votesTo be fair, I said it is annoying lol, I was just pointing out a fact, I'd prolly never use Zed ult to dodge a crow, but I'm sure their are moments where that saves your life or makes a vital play.
kurufal5 votesHonestly, I think they should extend the Silence duration and make it so that the Silence only hits the original intended target. It would make it a little more manageable and less about RNG. Make Fiddle think about who he's going to cast it on instead of just throwing it into a team fight and smashing his face on the keyborad while he zhonyas.
Bladerunner77773 votesFiddle would plummet in usefulness if his only AoE was his ult. At that point he would just be a shitty assassin instead of a teamfight disruptor.
Copic3 votesI find his insta-cast, undodgable point and click 2.5 second fear to be far more annoying.
Disulfiram2 votesIt's one of the very few spells left that can actually "just cc him" to the hypermobile hypercarries.
Rester3 votesI've never had issues with his crows. If anything his fear always cucks me. The best way to counter the crows (E) this is to play smart and don't sit behind minions if you see his cast animation go off. If you're grouped with your support in a 2v2 scenario and crows bounce I can't really tell ya what to do there unless you want to be smart and split off.
All in all Fid support is a niche pick, it's fun to play and can punish people who don't respect his crows or know how to play around it.
Agent Corgi3 votesHe can use his [E:Dark Wind] to sniff out people hiding in Bushes. You can be sitting in an unwarded bush & Fiddles crow will just go "Yo, Taric's in that bush. Don't go near it, he'll stun you."
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He can use his [E:Dark Wind] to sniff out people hiding in Bushes. You can be sitting in an unwarded bush & Fiddles crow will just go "Yo, Taric's in that bush. Don't go near it, he'll stun you."
It will also bounce to stealthed champs.
Dracocrash3 votesBrand does the same thing tho, except his damage doesn't fall of hard and he can burst even tanks
Warlord Rhinark3 votesThere is.
Don't stand next to any allied units.
AlienPrimate3 votesIt really isn't that hard to manage. Just start Doran's Shield and walk away from allied targets when he casts it. I have never had a problem facing him as a support main because I have always had an ADC who understands that when he presses E we just need to walk away from each other and we will only be hit by a single bounce keeping the damage at a minimum.
MorgManBasher3 votesLiterally just all in him and murder him
Fiddle's worst nightmare is 
Not only does he knock fiddle away when he ults in, but can also R and remove fiddle fear unlike Janna so he can instantly knock fiddle away when he ults. Also of course fiddle is squishy unless he goes aftershock, so it's incredibly easy to CC and focus him and even if that doesn't workout you have alistar's healing to keep you topped off when being poked by e.
Dynikus2 votesI don't even have a counter argument, his crows are complete bullshit that make me hate playing against him, even if he's not strong.
Disulfiram2 votesIf you could avoid it then it would need to do way more damage or have way more CC in order for Fiddle to remain balanced.
Tahminatrix 1 votesI just hate it when he crows me directly and does +100 damage at like lvl 4 without it bouncing because he has comet or aery or something easy and safe to proc and my mr runes don't cut it.
I get that fiddle needs something safe and consistent but he already has his w and q, why not have his crow power up or even split up into a swarm each time it bounces but do less damage on the first hit (unless its on a large or epic jg monster)
Maybe riot just wants his whole kit to stay alittle consistent because most of it is safe and having any huge potential on any of his abilities would be too much.
Disulfiram1 votesGet some lifesteal. Level 4 E has a 10 seconds cooldown, which is plenty of time to heal back what little damage it did to you in a single bounce. Multiple bounces are harder to recover from, but Fiddle SHOULD be rewarded for managing to get multiple bounces off, else his presence would be about as effective as if he was afk in the fountain.
Tahminatrix 1 votesYou assumed 3 things.
I never said his e immediately won him lane, I only hated how consistent it is, you don't gotta rant on about how to beat him because that has nothing to do with the point I was making.
I never said I had any issues with fiddle punishing my positioning in order to get multiple bounces on me infact I would prefer it if he was rewarded EVEN MORE for doing that, but clearly you didn't read any of that.
I never said Im playing a champion that can build lifesteal, I main tanks ffs, and I dont understand how lifesteal is a counter argument to me saying fiddle should have more potential with less consistency since his q and w are already consistent enough and having too much of his power go into consistency just makes him weak but annoying.
3 strikes, you didn't read anything I have had to say and only assumed I was complaining about fiddle being strong or something when its more of a reliability issue at the expense of him having potential, get out of here.
King Livid1 votesBan or Dodge
14daysuspensionk1 votesIt should be a skillshot.
Bârd1 votesThere is.
If you don't feel like doing that, you can mitigate it.
Plus, since he's Fiddle and is made of glass...
Snowdrift1 votesI really hate that I can’t use unwarded bushes to counter it, it will still bounce to you; giving you away. However on support wages any bit of early MR will nullify a good bit of his damage despite the fact it delays your scaling but in this matchup merch treads are prettty solid
