Is Riot worried about how this might affect Champions who AA a lot and heal, but don't use lifesteal? (i.e. 
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ProfDrDeath2 votesThat's not a good idea, imo.
It completely changes the pupose of the item, from being one whose identity is driven by denying its user as a valid Lifesteal target (selfish utility) to one where attacking the user shuts down Lifesteal of the attacker in general.
KoKoboto2 votesSounds like you listed two of the same things.
ProfDrDeath1 votesNo. The difference is subtle, but relevant.
Say you have a Hurricane user (0 MR), 20% Lifesteal, hitting Thornmail user (300 Armor, 200 of which is bonus) with one of the side bolts and two minions with the main attack and the other side bolt. Main does 1000 damage, side bolts do 400 damage
Live: 200 HP from main target, 80 from side minion, 20 from Thornmail user, but takes 60 + 50 damage from Thornmail. Net: 190 heal. PBE: 120 HP from main target, 48 from side minion, 12 from Thornmail user. 25 + 20 damage from Thornmail. Net: 135 heal.
KoKoboto1 votesNew version means less healing? Sounds good to me. Pretty significant too but you didn't account for damage mitigation.
Variks the Loyal2 votesThe Grievous Wounds effect only lasts for one second. If you shift targets, the Grevious Wounds go away.
ProfDrDeath1 votesThat is still at least one further auto-attack affected by the debuff.
Big Lincoln2 votescan't wait for tanks to duel me again lul
Siegfriedx11 votesRiot hate soraka. I don't even know why i bother playing her.
sobi9991 votesRiot hate soraka. I don't even know why i bother playing her.
Exactly, not that thornmail affects her directly but it affects her ally and that means her healing on them is going to be reduced especially that 10% health cost is just too painful. I am probably going mage supp from now on, healing will suck and so will enchanters that rely on it.
Puttyblo1 votesSo, basically attack speed related champions will cease to exist in the upcoming patch due to randuins thornmail frozen heart? lol. KK
darkdill1 votesNothing says you have to attack that tank. Target their teammates first and let your mage kill the tank because it overloaded on armor.
Puttyblo1 votesNothing says you have to attack that tank. Target their teammates first and let your mage kill the tank because it overloaded on armor.
Yeah, you go right ahead and try to not attack a 
running at you under your turret throwing a snowball at your face.
darkdill1 votesIf Nunu reached you, your teammates fucked up somewhere by not peeling him, or you didn't space properly.
Mordepool1 votesIf you can't see that endgame lifesteal is a problem you probably won't like this item. This item is probably the most requested item in League history. I remember people asking for it back in S1.
RIOT push it Through to Live. Tanky Champs now have Counter Build VS Drain Tank ADC. Life steal has been a problem for years finally a step in the Right Direction
Erockandroll1 votesDid anyone stop to notice that the reflect damage is down?
10% bonus armor + 25 compared to 25% bonus Armor and 15% incoming damage. Though I suppose this works against low AD, high AS champs.
Yet people are complaining about the item ruining Drain Tanking. (Which I thought we wanted to get rid of anyways)
darkdill1 votesIt's lower because Lifesteal will no longer counter it. If it retained its old damage values, then Rammus would become broken.
Erockandroll1 votesIt's lower because Lifesteal will no longer counter it. If it retained its old damage values, then Rammus would become broken.
Kinda the problem though is that they counter each other. A Tank or Bruiser needed something to tone down the Drain tanking, And an ADC needed life steal to compensate for the return damage.
Though with the new changes, it actually cuts back on the ADC's ability to Drain tank, while not becoming oppressive against people who don't itemize LS. So instead of having this power struggle that has kinda put Thornmail in a bad spot, they gave it a new mechanic, that makes it niche itemization, but then didn't have to be itemized against.
