Jarvan is a diver with extremely high tank stat and cannot be cancel dash

taleofsonata·Nov 3, 2017·17 votes·1,299 views

How's is this champion still under the radar of riot? He does the most damage out of any tank, he has higher mobility than gragas and sejuani and attack speed buff?

17 Comments

AmarajahNov 3, 201710 votes

His primary damage and initiation requires two spells though which is a big weakness because if you juke that, then all the damage is gone and he is REALLY vulnerable.

6SfoolNov 4, 20175 votes

I just want him to be a tank. There is so much more skill expression in his cc than his instant damage. Oneshotting people is simple, but judging whether you should ult that enemy draven without the solo damage to kill him is tough.

Remlap1223Nov 4, 20174 votes

Tank Jarvan is fine. Ass blaster J4 can go suck a fat one.

Zed geniusNov 3, 20173 votes

his e q can be canceled if timed correctly, but yeah everything else is pretty much true

HaIlMonitorNov 4, 20173 votes

You really should try to play him. If you go full damage he isn't tanky, if you go full tank he doesn't do any more damage then champs like Moa or Gragas.

TehNACHONov 3, 20172 votes

Maybe because he's not a Tank but a Fighter. More combat orientated for less efficient CC and utility.

x Wyvern xNov 4, 20172 votes

I always ban him, he is really tanky, he can one shot multiple people and even if you survive to the one shot, you can't leave the ult area, amazing counterplay....

KhristophorosNov 4, 20172 votes

They like him to be viable in pro play.

SettDownShutUpNov 3, 20171 votes

You're right in that currently his ability to take a squish champ from 0 to 100 is insane. That being said he has no way to recover if his dive goes south. Very feast or famine.

TehNACHONov 3, 20172 votes

...Which is the point of being a Diver if you built AD, like the way you're describing.

He can still build Bulky and not be so feast or famine of course.

OyddAWqJ5rNov 4, 20171 votes

Cuz he has to build damage to do damage. He isn't a tank by default and he isn't a massive damage dealer by default. He has to build into both attributes.

ErockandrollNov 4, 20172 votes

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Cuz he has to build damage to do damage. He isn't a tank by default and he isn't a massive damage dealer by default. He has to build into both attributes.

"has to" is kinda a strong notation which I don't always think applies.

Jarven and to an extent, Divers at large, are pretty jack of all trades, and the function they can serve on the team can change based on his build. Sure he may not be a tank by default, but he has enough initiation tools that he can serve as a Vanguard. And if he builds assassin items, he can certainly do assassin levels of damage.

OyddAWqJ5rNov 4, 20171 votes

Full AD Jarvan dies in seconds, full tank Jarvan doesn't do anywhere near as much damage (or really damage at all).

Now if you're talking about bruiser J4 though, he can definitely do both to an extent but is nowhere near as tanky as full tank and can't just R + auto oneshot people.

ErockandrollNov 4, 20172 votes

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Full AD Jarvan dies in seconds, full tank Jarvan doesn't do anywhere near as much damage (or really damage at all).

Now if you're talking about bruiser J4 though, he can definitely do both to an extent but is nowhere near as tanky as full tank and can't just R + auto oneshot people.

I think you may have missed my point.

Sure Full AD Jarven will die in seconds, and yeah, Tank Jarven won't kill anything very quickly. But his kit is versatile enough that he may not care about damage or defense.

e.x. in a gank scenario, Jarven may not even need to bring the damage himself. He may just go in and lock up his opponent while his teammate kills him. Likewise, a Full AD Jarven wouldn't necessarily care about defense if he kills his target before it becomes an issue.

OyddAWqJ5rNov 4, 20171 votes

Original post said he dealt the most damage of all tanks and was unstoppable. I was addressing that.

Old Man TeetoNov 4, 20171 votes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCe2F8mZPCo

The Great DivideNov 7, 20171 votes

The problem is before he'd have to build a lot of damage to successfully one shot anyone (I still think his ult damage number is still too high. It's already huge cc, having it be a 1/2 healthing nuke...)

It's this item that's breaking the balance: item 3147

See now with one item he's basically bursting everything not a tank, but he also is getting great tank stats from his kit, as well as other tank items he can get. And he can get them because duskblade is just such a huge ball of stats item.

Nerf duskblade, Jarvan's balance returns. It's not a problem he has long range engage, or is so tanky. It's his damage that he doesn't have to pay as much anymore to get.