@Riot, lets talk about magic pen

Black Pöwer··1 votes·737 views

Just a simple topic really, there are several types of armor penetration items in the game, leading from item 3071 to item 3142 item 3147 item 3036 item 3033 item 3156 and all of these with black cleaver as an exception are all built from item 3134 or a item 3035 . When we look at what we have for magic pen we have item 3020, item 3151 ,item 3135 and item 3001, except for the boots all of these are composed of a item 1026 or a , my question to Riot is whether or not magic penetration items will be getting a miniature passive as serrated dirk was given when it was added to the game in place of the old brutalizer. What happened to to rework of abyssal scepter? and wasn't it going to be made more like Black Cleaver but for AP Bruisers?

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qetzel1 votes

I thought that magic pen was overall less important than armour pen because of auto attacks. You get two main types of AD users - casters and attackers. Attackers build a lot of AS/Crit for that multiplicative scaling, casters prefer flat AD and armour penetration to increase the damage their abilities do.

The two classes of champion cannot share the same item system because they do things quite differently. If you let a caster do their job well while buying crit then their attacks would do far too much damage. Similarly, if you let an auto-attacker do high sustained damage while building AD and armour pen their abilities would get a little bit out of hand.

Ignoring LW (Which most AD champions should buy if there i a tank on the other team) from a design perspective, low overlap in items is the best.

Then you consider AP champions. With the exception of Azir, Kayle and maybe Teemo, all of them use their abilities primarily. This means they all fall into the same class of item users. AP can increase the damage an assassin type champion deals, increase the shielding etc of a utility type champion, the burst of a burst mage, the DPS of a sustained damage mage... You get the picture. As AP ratios are changeable (unlike auto attack ratios, which are 1 in all cases except for Kalista), only one class of item is really needed.

Tl;dr - On AP champions that want high damage, building more AP has exactly the same effect as building more magic pen. This is untrue on AD champions due to the presence of basic attacks - crit and AS are different to AD and armour penetration.

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wits end

EcchiOtakuTM1 votes

The abyssal rework should just be a new sunfire item instead.Cause before it's passive was nowhere close enough to sunfire to make them the same unique passive but if they did make it a unique passive there was no point in buying sunfire. If they just return the abyssal rework as a new sunfire item pickup that would work.

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