@Riot, are there any plans to re-purpose any mages to fit into the jungle role?

Black Pöwer·Mar 29, 2017·4 votes·585 views

Or introduce any new mages/ap junglers. I don't know if it's just me but the current state of the jungle seems to be heavily favoured towards AD Fighters/Assassins and AP Tanks with the exception of Elise, Evelynn and Diana whenever she's "in meta". I remember during season 4 & 5 there seemed to be a lot more of a diverse set of junglers in the game but now it seems that unless you're exceptionally good on a particular champion and are into off meta picks, the jungle is the same rotation of champions.

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OneTrickZilianMar 29, 20171 votes

AP is usually associated with AOE, which is very hard to balance for jungle clearing.

ToastersaotMar 29, 20171 votes

I remember seeing Jungle Karthus a really long time back. That was pretty cool

WinTheWarOnPantsMar 29, 20171 votes

Amumu Chogath Diana DrMundo Elise Evelynn Fiddlesticks Fizz Ekko Gragas Ivern Kayle Nidalee Nunu Nautilus Rammus Sejuani Zac are all viable AP junglers, mages like Velkoz Cassiopeia can jg, but their kits simply work better in lane with higher gold/exp yield. The reason why AD jg's are significantly more viable than AP jgs right now is because AD itemization is simply better than AP while simultaneously countering magic dmg with multiple AD+MR items item 3156 item 3139 item 3814 and tanky sustain boosting item 3065 . Even AP jg's are better against other AP jgs than AD with item 3001 being much better against AP than item 3157 is against AD. On top of providing 15 less armor than "abyssal" gives mr, almost all AD just rush one or more of these items item 3142 item 3147 item 3071 which will negate a large amount or all of the little bit of armor "zhonyas" gives you.

Black PöwerMar 29, 20171 votes

You've literally just highlighted every champion I meant in the post by "Tank junglers" The new jungle doesn't favour Fiddlesticks, Fizz or Dian, the rest were nerfed into the ground until recent and even then the itemisation for AP junglers sucks due to the item being abused outside of the jungle role e.g. Ezreal and the original runic echoes.

Apart from Elise, Evelynn and whenever Diana is in meta, there aren't any AP "Carry" Junglers who are viable or more so there aren't any items that makes them more viable than AD Fighters and Assassins, even tank itemisation is better than an AP Junglers kit. A stranger thing is the fact that even when item paths are nerfed for AD type champions, they are still more viable than the standard viable "AP" champion and vice versa with when their kits are nerfed

WinTheWarOnPantsMar 30, 20171 votes

I listed them for reference(mine mostly lol). Honestly the more i think about it the more i'm unsure. I know for a fact that AD > AP right(fighting the urge to rant) now, but I think that if there was ever a mage that was a viable jg they would never actually jg because they would totally destroy in lane. I think it's just that you have to have power in your autos if you wanna jg(AD champs have it by default), and if you want a jg that uses abilities, you have to do something crazy like Fiddlesticks or Ivern both of which are a mess.