Just kidding, it's totally, perfectly okay for arguably """SUPPOSEDLY""" the hardest ADC in the entire game (except maybe Draven), who's also second most popular and picked ADC in the entire game, to have >50% winrate average.
Best princess EU12 votesmeanwhile rengar nerfed with 45% win rate
ReadyxPlayerxOne8 votes[{quoted}](name=Sanji fanboy,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=W7mfP2RP,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2016-12-24T21:01:51.599+0000)
meanwhile rengar nerfed with 45% win rate
That's mainly due to how often he's picked and how little he provides to team fights. Has nothing to do with him as a champion. As a champion he's completely overpowered.
Best princess EU7 votesthe fuck is this statement?
rengar is overpowered because on the good hands he's a monster, just ilke vayne
oSEXYPLATYPUSo3 votesRENGAR IS A BIT DIFFERENT IN THE SENSE OF HIM GETTING PERM IN CREASE IN DAMAGE FOR EVERY CHAMP HE KILLS WHICH ALSO SCALES WITH THE BOUNTY HUNTER MASTERY. IF HE KILLS 3 UNIQUE TARGETS
SO HE GET 7 +7% BONUS AD FOR 3 UNIQUE CHAMPS KILLED PLUS 1.5% Xs 3 FOR THE 3 UNIQUE CHAMPS KILLED
SO THATS 7+7% +4.5% DAMAGE JUST FOR DOING WHAT HE IS SUPPOSE TO DO... ASSASSINATE TARGETS
IF HE KILLS ALL 5 PLAYERS ON ENEMY ITS
20+20% BONUS AD + 7.5% DAMAGE WHICH WILL OUT SCALE ANYTHING A VAYNE DOES
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oSEXYPLATYPUSo3 votesBIG LETTERS DONT MEAN LOUD... IT JUST MEANS BIG LETTERS
Matake4 votesThanks for the big letters. I can't read small ones.
KaRniVooL131 votesnever understand the idea that big letters are insulting
Papa Andrei3 votesIts not insulting, but if you act like text is akin to speech, it just means yelling. Would you like a conversation with someone who has no noise control and just sits there yelling "HEY HOW YOU DOING HARRY? HOWS THE KIDS? DID YOU HEAR ABOUT THIS ONE TIME IN NAM?"
The Blue Rajah2 votesBig letters imply emphasis. You can't say that they imply nothing, because they are out of the ordinary. The equivalent of consistent emphasis throughout an entire sentence is speaking loudly. That's what it means, that's how people will read it, no matter how much you insist otherwise. Sorry, sometimes you just have to deal with reality.
KaRniVooL131 votesno once again that is something you are implying to context that isnt there
its not reality ...
ITS JUST BIG LETTERS nothing more stop over thinking shit and think it means more then JUST WHAT IT IS
which is BIG LETTERS
UkeNeverSeme1 votesNot really. Theyre called "capital letters". To anyone with any knowledge of the english language (aka, none of you NA guys before attending college), that would imply emphasis.
Pale Pirate10 votesrengar is a bit different in the sense of him getting perm in crease in damage for every champ he kills which also scales with the bounty hunter mastery. if he kills 3 unique targets
so he get 7 +7% bonus ad for 3 unique champs killed plus 1.5% xs 3 for the 3 unique champs killed
so thats 7+7% +4.5% damage just for doing what he is suppose to do... assassinate targets
if he kills all 5 players on enemy its
20+20% bonus ad + 7.5% damage which will out scale anything a vayne does
fixed
oSEXYPLATYPUSo5 votesNOPE YOU DIDNT FIX ANYTHING
THERE WAS NOTHING WRONG WITH BIG LETTERS PEOPLE NEED TO STOP LETTING BIG LETTERS HURT THEIR VAGINAS
The 2nd Horseman15 votesIt screams desperation and just exhumes this idea that you lack the ability to keep a conversation civil.
oSEXYPLATYPUSo4 votesACTUALLY IT DONT... THAT IS CONTEXT YOU ARE IMPLYING TO IT... ITS JUST UPPER CASE LETTERS
KaRniVooL132 votesshots fired at who?
PureUtterCancer2 votes[slayer-jinx-wink] I'm fucking stealing this gif
Sir Binley10 votesI'm a draven main, he's definitely more difficult to play. Not trying to be a biased asshole, though.
Astôlfo9 votesThat's exactly my point.
If she's that difficult supposedly, she shouldn't be doing average while having the second highest pickrate of any ADC.
Sir Binley2 votesThe thing with her, is that she builds two items and auto's me once in a fight, then i'm forced to back. That's why she's a little silly right now, due to the Q buffs.
Troll for Trump2 votesDraven used to be one of the hard counters to vayne. Early game bully vs lategame hyperscaler, Draven should win. But nope, now Draven has a negative WR vs Vayne.
Brain Errör 4041 votesMaybe because Draven is actually pretty hard to play? He still shits bricks on Vaynes.
Troll for Trump1 votesThat would be true if his playerbase was high. He's popular, but his playerbase is quite low. At least, in relativity to what's considered "meta" at any given time( basically, ADCs have 4-5 with insanely high playrates, and everything else isn't played much)
DoktorKaiser10 votesVayne is not hard ffs, she has so many tools to defend herself and cant be built against, is also hard to lock down, she has so many tools that she is barely even hard to play any more since her early game is in worst case meh, but usually pretty good unless vs Cait or something. Something actually hard to play is Draven who is hard af + no mobility and low peel, Ezreal who has to constantly hit skillshots every 1.5 seconds to actually be effective but ok he is safe af, Kalista is at least as hard as Vayne, Twitch used to be hard before he became KogMaw 2.0, btw Kog is a lot harder than Vayne due to being the easiest to kill ADC etc etc... Having difficult to master mechanics doesnt make a champion hard people, being shitty/immobile/skillshot reliant does.
ModAcademy Kayn5 votesA majority of Vayne's damage is still Physical, so Armor is still effective.
KaRniVooL131 votesso you mean items like 
are effective vs vayne ?
what if you get health items too?
man you blew my mind
[zombie-brand-mindblown]
[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]
TheSingularity2 votes^^^^^ she's arguably one of the easier adc's. Twitch, kog, draven and varus are all more difficult to play properly than vayne due to immobility and/or skillshot reliance.
Vayne is ea
UkeNeverSeme1 votesIf you compare to lucian who has similar mobility and range vayne definately provided too much reward for the risk, but then again lucian is blatantly underpowered currently xD
ReadyxPlayerxOne5 votesWin rate nothing... this bitch can 3 shot most TEAMS at full build. How is that ever ok?
The 2nd Horseman2 votesWell I mean if a champion were to get two shot and kill everyone in three shots it'd be different, but going invisble dashing, and ccing people is where the problem arises.
GayFluffyUnicorn1 votesI mean i will get downvoted anyways as always, silver boards know it better but the reasoning is "hypercarry". But i dislike hypercarries. Because in league you have no proper tools to shut them down except ending the game early and not feeding them. If they get ahead they get unstoppable. If you can turtle the game out they still become unstoppable and just win because "hypercarry". Bullshit design in my eyes. That's why vayne also is complained about so much. Low elo games tend to last more than 30mins up to 50. Where any trash vayne will be farmed back enough to just rightclick every teammember to death in 3 autos with a few Qs inbetween who will then end up as "vayne mains" with 1,5 KDA and 40% winrate.
Cronofuge4 votesVayne isn't about skill floor she's about skill ceiling. She is very easy to pick up but very rewarding to master. Don't think Azir where he's super hard at first then good once you know how to use him (at least during his prime) think something like Caitlyn where the extremely simple kit makes them approachable but the depth can reward very highly skilled players.
Honestly Vayne isn't a problem right now. Last time I played against one I picked Draven and stomped her into the ground during laning phase, even with her brand support virtually 2v1'ing my support and I. You should be more concerned with things like Shaco who is still on top after the last nerfs, Vi and Hec who are like assassins but better since they don't die with their colossus shields, and Ivern, because Ivern.
ElfOfTheDesert2 votesVayne isn't about skill floor she's about skill ceiling
Stop saying this like they are two different things, they aren't.
Cronofuge10 votesStop saying this like they are two different things, they aren't.
Skill floor refers to the amount of skill required to play the champion at a basic level while skill ceiling refers to the potential performance at high levels of skill.
Stubborn mathematicians refer to these definitions as "wrong" because they use different variables but given the wide usage an acceptance of the terms and their definitions it's time to suck it up and accept that these are what the terms mean.
grug3 votesDraven skill gap is more than doubled and multiplied by factor of 3 compared to that of vayne
PermabannedGaren3 votesJust kidding, it's totally, perfectly okay for arguably """SUPPOSEDLY""" the hardest ADC in the entire game (except maybe Draven), who's also second most popular and picked ADC in the entire game, to have >50% winrate average.
http://champion.gg/champion/Vayne/ADC
You neglected to mention that she also has the single most experienced playerbase on average of any ADC, which would inflate her win rate.
KaRniVooL131 votesso that being consider would it be ok to assume that she isnt broken or op? when her over all win rate is 50.68% and on players who have 125+ games on her having a win rate of 54.03% so hmm people who main her and play her alot are better at her and have a higher win rate but over all she is 50.68% .
call me crazy but i think an over all win rate between 50-51% is balanced
PermabannedGaren1 votesso that being consider would it be ok to assume that she isnt broken or op? when her over all win rate is 50.68% and on players who have 125+ games on her having a win rate of 54.03% so hmm people who main her and play her alot are better at her and have a higher win rate but over all she is 50.68% .
call me crazy but i think an over all win rate between 50-51% is balanced
Yeah Vayne is okay right now. Stronger than average, but not too out of line.
KaRniVooL131 voteswould it be possible due to the the rework or armor pen that directly hinders lucian who dont use crit builds make it stronger meta for champs who are auto attacked based?
so lucian is a known "counter " to vayne normally? yes? and he is nerfed due to the rework of armor pen items like 
so a champ like him cant bully lane any more. as soon as that happen champs who are auto reliant and crit based rose in win rate from the ADC role... cait, vayne. trist, (jihn dont matter armor pen, crit he is over tuned ) etc hell
there are 7 adcs with higher win rates then vayne
but love the hate on a champ that does what she is suppose to do, out duel people , kill tanks, and late game hyper carry
JackMcSnipeyz1 votesIn that case we should gut morde cause his main's winrate is 60% right? I mean, fuck i know this is a crazy concept, but maybe if you put time and effort into a champ, you should have higher impact than someone who just picked said champ up.
KaRniVooL131 votesim not saying to nerf her... im saying she is fine
but i have a 78% win rate on maokai i guess he is broken too ?
GayFluffyUnicorn1 votesThing is while gutting zed and leblanc over the years riot always said (that applies to emperor trump as well) that these mechanical demanding champs need to be below 50% winrate to be considered balanced. We hear from vayne players and also riot that vayne is THE hardest adc to play if not the hardest champ in the entire game (exaggeration much i know but thats boards) so we can safely assume her winrate on average needs to be below 50% but somehow that doesn't apply to her. That doesn't apply to yasuo or riven or similar cancer champs. Only a few chosen once like leblanc and zed. Azir is another case due to high elo and pro play. But this existing bias is one of the factors why I complain about champs like vayne, yasuo and riven. Don't know about the rest but i take riots words and say vayne, yasuo and riven are overpowered by sheer stats alone.
UkeNeverSeme1 votesWell youre misunderstanding them: If the average azir player had 125+ games on him a 50% winrate would be fine/maybe slightly underpowered. But if the same holds true if average games are around 50 for players he would be blatantly op since really good azirs are then sitting at maybe 60% winrates. The thing is in high elo a good azir/lb could outdo ABSOLUTELY ANYTHING. even if your opponents were equally skilled. And ofc thats not ok. Currently vayne is not in that spot (she was before the nerfs tho). Sure she will butfuck you if you pick garen into her or kalista, or something dumb. But if you play the game correctly you have a 50% chance of winning against a vayne with 125 games on her. Imo thats fair.
Niyumi1 votes... arguably the hardest ADC in the entire game...
I don't understand why people keep telling this lie of any ADC being even remotely challenging. How hard is it to right click on someone, or to use targeted abilities? Vayne is literally 100% targeted, and 95% of her damage is just her right clicking on you and going AFK until you die. ADCs are the literal easiest class, yet do the most damage and have the most sustain and tools available to them -- they shouldn't, but they do anyway.
TyrekGoldenspear4 votesProbably becuase...
They explode to a sneeze.
They need protection all game to do said stupid damage.
The team that loses their ADC usually loses the teamfight.
Everybody and anybody is out to kill the ADC.
They build glass cannon but can't fight anything themselves without peel.
The ADCs complained about the most are ones that have self peel or burst. Most don't fall under this category.
Unlike most classes, they have to focus on positioning the most.
You play Tristana. You should know this isn't a cakewalk unless you have good peel.
Niyumi3 votesProbably becuase...
They explode to a sneeze.
So do most squishy champs, kind of a common thing they have not exclusive to ADCs.
They need protection all game to do said stupid damage.
Yeah, 'cept they can go mid or top with relative ease and carry the game.
The team that loses their ADC usually loses the teamfight.
Yeah, no. So many teamfights can be won without an ADC.
Everybody and anybody is out to kill the ADC.
Everybody is out to kill whoever is easiest.
They build glass cannon but can't fight anything themselves without peel.
Lifesteal says hi.
The ADCs complained about the most are ones that have self peel or burst. Most don't fall under this category.
I complain about all ADCs.
Unlike most classes, they have to focus on positioning the most.
EVERYONE needs to position well, so again, not anything exclusive to ADCs.
You play Tristana. You should know this isn't a cakewalk unless you have good peel.
I carry games with relative ease, and feel bad about it afterwards.
UkeNeverSeme1 votesIn my elo (d4 last season) any tf were your adc dies post 30min is a loss even if ahead. Just saying. In low elo it doesnt matter as much since bad adcs are worth nothing, but in high elo any tf without an adc is a loss unless the enemy team do something majorly stupid. Aka. Step on a red carpet, clump up hard vs a ziggs, get womboed or similar.
