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I'm fucking tired of this narrative where ranged champions need everything

Bultz·11/21/2019, 6:08:19 AM·28 votes·7,728 views

I'm so tired of ranged champion receiving everything. If I am a melee champion and you are a ranged champion, in my range, I should be a terror to you, not the other way around. I'm playing Warwick or Kayn or Darius or any tank and I barely have 400 movement speed to catch my targets. I play someone like morgana and I have over 400 ms with just boots. Movement speed should go to melee champion, not Jhin so he can dick on you and you never catch him because he has a free build in item 3044. It's bullshit all of it. If your a ranged adc, you melt everyone in sight with attack speed. Pile that on with absurd damage and endless cc. Why do Ranged champion need everything? They are meant to be at the back of team fights, yet I am dueling most adcs hoping not to be kitted into the ground in two fucking seconds.

Ranged adc's have;

  • higher attack speed
  • Higher Damage
  • Tons of crowd control
  • Zero real mana costs
  • Most have a lot of hard CC
  • High movement speed and MS builds

Ranged mages have;

  • Tons of CC
  • Tons of damage, mostly burst
  • tons of magic pen
  • Higher movement speed than most Melee champions

Do you know what it's like to be hit by a ranged champions cc as a melee champion and just sit there waiting for it to end because tenacity does nothing, but all that happens is you instantly die or get popped by these people.

Melee champions need the following;

  • If they are not super mobile, they need ms buffs.
  • Ranged champions to lose damage, they are safe, they don't need pop you level of damage all game
  • More items with tenacity, tons more.
  • Tenacity to allow melee champions to avoid a percentage of CC. Just dodge it and not just lower it's length.

If you have the ranged advantage that is your sweet spot, If I am on you, you should melt me. It's not hard.

34 Comments

NaughtyWord11/21/2019, 6:45:23 AM24 votes

This guy plays mostly Warwick, Darius, and Yasuo in Summoner's Rift according to match history.

Dude, you play Yasuo with 2,000,000 dashes, what the fuck are you on? You play Warwick who gets some of the largest movement speed boost in this game, what the fuck are you on?

I would say you might have a point with Darius, but then again, if he is on top of someone, especially and ADC, he will absolutely shit on them, so again, what the fuck are you on?

Ranged adc's have; higher attack speed

At the cost of being a wet paper bag.

Higher Damage

At the cost of being a wet paper bag. Why don't you build crit and attack speed and you'll be in the same spot adc's are where the overwhelming majority of them fall apart to a scuttle crab sneeze.

Tons of crowd control Most have a lot of hard CC

Hard CC? MissFortune has no hard CC$ Kaisa has no hard CC, in fact, doesn't have CC at all. Lucian has no hard CC, in fact, doesn't have CC at all. Ezreal has no hard CC, in fact, doesn't have CC at all. Twitch has no hard CC$ KogMaw has no hard CC$ Draven has no hard CC$ Sivir has no hard CC, in fact, doesn't have CC at all. Tristana has no hard CC$ Kalista has no hard CC$

$ These champions have a soft cc, things like snares (slows), knockups, etc.

Of those that do have a Hard CC Ashe on a skill shot ult Vayne situational, do try to stay away from walls. Senna if you want to count her as an ADC. Jinx has her traps Caitlyn has her traps Xayah is situational, do try to stay away from feathers Jhin technically has a hard CC, but he actually needs to hit you with some ability before hand. (I'm not counting teammates here, just kits in a vacuum) Varus on a skill shot ult

So MOST ADCs do not have a hard CC, quite a few have no CC at all, and of those that do, are either situational, easily avoided, or are skillshots on ults. So again, I've no idea what the fuck you are on about.

Zero real mana costs

Laughs in Sivir Varus

High movement speed and MS builds

The 325 club (slowest movement speed for anyone not named Janna):

Ashe Caitlyn Ezreal Jinx Kalista MissFortune Tristana Xayah

The 330 club:

Draven Jhin KogMaw Senna Twitch Varus Vayne

The 335 Club:

Kaisa Lucian Sivir

Meanwhile your champions:

Darius: 340 Warwick: 335 Yasuo: 345 Kayn: 340

The champions you mostly play are faster than all ADCs with the one exception of Warwick and he's faster than most ADCs. This is of course before his MS burst toward weakened players, most likely the ADC.

So I've no idea what you are talking about.

FurriesAreHot11/21/2019, 12:47:16 PM12 votes

I actually laughed when you made the assertion ranged ADCs have more Hard CC than melee champions.

Only a couple ADCs actually get to run mach 5 on their own, I'll use Jhin as the example. Jhin's 4 shot gimmick requires him to be more mobile since he cannot continously click people.

"They are meant to be at the back of team fights, yet I am dueling most adcs hoping not to be kitted into the ground in two fucking seconds."

Uh no shit? Ranged ADCs are fundamentally designed to kite melee characters.

Jamaree11/21/2019, 6:14:59 AM8 votes

It used to be like that in season 2, but it turns out not being able to play the game if said bruiser got in your zone wasn't fun.

Hayaishi211/21/2019, 8:55:54 AM7 votes

OP your problem is garbage champions not marksmen.

Darius is a shit champion, he has no agency, a lot of melee champions have no problem with range. Likewise a champion like Varus has issues with everything that can easily get close to him while Kaisa doesn't.

Not every marksman is OP (Varus) just like how not every melee is garbage (Darius)

Pika Fox11/21/2019, 12:40:29 PM6 votes

..... Ranged champions dont have "more damage". If you build full damage, most melees would dumpster ranged champions damage wise.

Also, naut and leona are melee. Guess who wins in the CC game. Or are you trying to tell me lucian has some CC hes been holding out on us?

Thefrostyviking11/21/2019, 2:31:56 PM6 votes

OP you are so incredibly full of crap it´s actually amazing.

Your very first line about Morgana hitting 400+ MS with just boots....yeah if she runs item 3117 , anything less is false since she has 330 base movespeed.

Should i flame say a Blitzcrank Thresh Alistar for being too fking fast and it being OP if they build those item 3117 run down my KogMaw item 1001 ?

The answer is no, i should definitely not because that would be r%%%%%ed in various ways.

And then,.,...how in all the worlds are you failing to gapclose on fricking Kayn or Warwick ? Are you boosted or what? Kayn can literally run through walls to make the marksman´s positioning irrelevant while Warwick with his W+R cannot be kited by any marksmen short of Vayne or Tristana.

Of course that is assuming you arent playing blue kayn who runs at march 1-2 and then just vaporizes any lonely squishy he encounters if he´s even with them-

You know why ranged need all that CC&damage? Because if your melee ass gets on them it´s GG for them if they arent fed or havent poked you down already.

And Darius? The motherdunker who heals like 36% of his max HP with one good Q on a 3 seconds cooldown in a later teamfight? Name me one marksman with that much sustain built into their kit, or has a true damage execute built into it.

You gotta take what you get and learn to appreciate it, Riot sucks at balancing numbers but the general idea they have is often not wrong, like for instance Darius.

If it was easy for Darius to gapclose as he is now and he could shrugg of CC easily if he picked some runes&boots for it then he´d probably be the most broken melee champ there is by far, and that´s just one example.

Tin Obliterates11/21/2019, 4:47:19 PM5 votes

You're saying you don't like a moderately fed adc face-tanking you in melee range?

vgamedude11/21/2019, 10:18:32 AM5 votes

This is the fundamental flaw of league and why range is broken. DOTA 2 has no such issue and has turn rates and more. Melee is strong and a melee carry is just as viable as a ranged one.

Meanwhile on league you HAVE TO HAVE a ranged auto attacker to succeed in 99.9 percent of cases. It's so dumb that people pretend like marksmen are ever weak when they are the single requirement in this game.

koshkyra11/22/2019, 2:40:02 AM4 votes

If I am a melee champion and you are a ranged champion, in my range, I should be a terror to you, not the other way around.

If you genuinely believe that ranged champions beat melee champions in melee range then you are beyond delusional.

WoonStruck11/21/2019, 6:26:20 AM4 votes

Yeah. Same thing with lower ranged mages.

I know everyone hates Vlad, but you have to admit he risks more with his range than Anivia, Vel'koz, xerath, Zoe, etc. Yet, they deal more damage. And have more utility. And some of them have more base MS.

This game simply doesn't properly budget the strength of range.

Look at how much of a problem Irelia's been with her 200 melee range, as opposed to most others' 125.

Riot doesn't weigh range in a champion's power budget anymore.

The thigh guy11/21/2019, 7:38:27 PM4 votes

Wow. It’s almost like most melee champions made to duel auto win against ranged champions once they get in melee. :/

Lovelle11/21/2019, 12:26:08 PM2 votes

Darius and Warwick I'll agree, but Kayn has zero issue catching targets.

Sir Saltarin11/22/2019, 1:38:02 AM2 votes

This guy Hashinshins

Nyarlathοtep11/21/2019, 12:37:27 PM2 votes

I was about to comment but naughtyword covered me.

Vesemir11/21/2019, 10:58:10 AM1 votes

Make conqueror a melee keystone.